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I'm no expert on Chasers. I own, um, 3 whole Chasers. But if I was a big Chaser runner, I would love to have my Chasers have their own stats, separate from the TB flat racers. At least that way, you can compare your apples to other apples, and your oranges to other oranges, so to speak.
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In that case have them divided in the same way STB's are. TB flat, TB chaser. They are TB's, they are not another breed.
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Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago In that case have them divided in the same way STB's are. TB flat, TB chaser. They are TB's, they are not another breed.
I’m fine with this.
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Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago In that case have them divided in the same way STB's are. TB flat, TB chaser. They are TB's, they are not another breed.
Sounds good to me, they can even have a TB chaser trainer if the year award since everything else has its own award
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Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago In that case have them divided in the same way STB's are. TB flat, TB chaser. They are TB's, they are not another breed.
What about those who breed for Dual purpose? I have a Chase Freak that is also an Allowance TR...I wouldn’t mind if her flat results count towards my flat and chase towards my chase.
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Rochelle Zahacy wrote: 4 years ago
Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago In that case have them divided in the same way STB's are. TB flat, TB chaser. They are TB's, they are not another breed.
What about those who breed for Dual purpose? I have a Chase Freak that is also an Allowance TR...I wouldn’t mind if her flat results count towards my flat and chase towards my chase.
I would think the coding would take care of that. Similar to how a horse changes owners, you still keep the stats when you owned the horse.

So like you race it as a turf route. Get a stakes win.
Then convert to chaser. Get a stakes win. I would think the coding would be set up to keep the history and preserve The stats separately.

I’m not Admin, but not sure why they could not set it up that way if they decide to do this in the first place.
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Pete Vella wrote: 4 years ago
Rochelle Zahacy wrote: 4 years ago
Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago In that case have them divided in the same way STB's are. TB flat, TB chaser. They are TB's, they are not another breed.
What about those who breed for Dual purpose? I have a Chase Freak that is also an Allowance TR...I wouldn’t mind if her flat results count towards my flat and chase towards my chase.
I would think the coding would take care of that. Similar to how a horse changes owners, you still keep the stats when you owned the horse.

So like you race it as a turf route. Get a stakes win.
Then convert to chaser. Get a stakes win. I would think the coding would be set up to keep the history and preserve The stats separately.

I’m not Admin, but not sure why they could not set it up that way if they decide to do this in the first place.
You just argued my point 😉 Dave is saying they should be made separate “breeds”. Making it so myself (and others) wouldn’t be able to breed dual purpose chasers anymore. That they would be only chasers from birth. I’m 100% for chaser and flat stats being separated
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Not sure coding of stats to be kept separately in the owners history (flat vs chase) would have anything to do with how a horse is born.

If a horse is born a TB (flat) and can later be permanently converted to a TB (chase), then the horse can still be considered a TB. It just has a different coding in terms of storing the stats of the horse between flat vs chase.

I didn’t negate the point of separating the stats. I agree that should definitely be kept desperate.

I think Dave is concerned for the horse itself not being labeled as a TB when his point is that it really is a TB. Even
Though it doesn’t run right (awkward) and likes to jump things it’s still a TB.

Fine keep it a TB, just place coding in the game to separate the stats when converted to a chaser.

I’m not a coder so not sure how any of this would be done, but I would assume a separate breed can be created and only used when the actual conversion happens. So all TB are born TB (flat) and later the breed is changed permanently to TB (chaser) when converted. However coding placed in game holds the previous TB stats separate in the history of owner and horse.

Does that make more sense?
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I recently bought a steeple chaser so I was curious as to who the top chasers were so I could compare. I mentioned this in the chat but there is no ranking for steeplechasers on the horse rankings page. I would have to go down the list of all the thoroughbreds to find the chasers. I think they should have separate stats. they aren't different breeds but they don't race in the same races just like standardbreds who have pacers and trotters same breed but race with different gaits (what if we could train a trotter to pace and vice versa lol I'm kidding) I would at least like to see a rankings page for chasers so I can see who the top active points leaders are.
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Rochelle Zahacy wrote: 4 years ago
Pete Vella wrote: 4 years ago
Rochelle Zahacy wrote: 4 years ago

What about those who breed for Dual purpose? I have a Chase Freak that is also an Allowance TR...I wouldn’t mind if her flat results count towards my flat and chase towards my chase.
I would think the coding would take care of that. Similar to how a horse changes owners, you still keep the stats when you owned the horse.

So like you race it as a turf route. Get a stakes win.
Then convert to chaser. Get a stakes win. I would think the coding would be set up to keep the history and preserve The stats separately.

I’m not Admin, but not sure why they could not set it up that way if they decide to do this in the first place.
You just argued my point 😉 Dave is saying they should be made separate “breeds”. Making it so myself (and others) wouldn’t be able to breed dual purpose chasers anymore. That they would be only chasers from birth. I’m 100% for chaser and flat stats being separated
Not separate breeds. That has been my point all along. They are TB. But you can't have it both ways. If they are separate stats then they have to be completely separate. Flat horses would be flat and chasers would be chasers just like trotters and pacers. As Pete said flat horses don't jump :)

You don't have dual purpose pacers and trotters.
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Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago
Rochelle Zahacy wrote: 4 years ago
Pete Vella wrote: 4 years ago

I would think the coding would take care of that. Similar to how a horse changes owners, you still keep the stats when you owned the horse.

So like you race it as a turf route. Get a stakes win.
Then convert to chaser. Get a stakes win. I would think the coding would be set up to keep the history and preserve The stats separately.

I’m not Admin, but not sure why they could not set it up that way if they decide to do this in the first place.
You just argued my point 😉 Dave is saying they should be made separate “breeds”. Making it so myself (and others) wouldn’t be able to breed dual purpose chasers anymore. That they would be only chasers from birth. I’m 100% for chaser and flat stats being separated
But you can't have it both ways. If they are separate stats then they have to be completely separate.
I don't think that's true. Nevertheless, I think a good compromise to this all could be making it so you can view your individual chaser stats but when you look at Thoroughbred stats chasers are still included.
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Dylan Christensen wrote: 4 years ago
Dave Trainer wrote: 4 years ago
Rochelle Zahacy wrote: 4 years ago

You just argued my point 😉 Dave is saying they should be made separate “breeds”. Making it so myself (and others) wouldn’t be able to breed dual purpose chasers anymore. That they would be only chasers from birth. I’m 100% for chaser and flat stats being separated


But you can't have it both ways. If they are separate stats then they have to be completely separate.
I don't think that's true. Nevertheless, I think a good compromise to this all could be making it so you can view your individual chaser stats but when you look at Thoroughbred stats chasers are still included.
I disagree. If admin/steward decide to separate them, then separate them correctly. Not half way.
I would rather see my true “TB flat” stats separate then my “TB chase” stats.

Same when I vote for simmys. I would rather vote for chaser simmys only looking at “TB chaser” and vote for my “TB flat” race simmys only looking at flat race TB stats.
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Emmie Kay wrote: 4 years ago Are people really bothered by their TB rankings? Not being sarcastic, I’m genuinely wondering. Taking away dual purpose TBs doesn’t seem like a fun way to go.
Yes simmys are a big deal to some and being able to have a better picture as to what we are voting has been needed for the longest time.

And as I stated above, it could be possible to simply separate the stats categorically based on the horse type vs the breed.
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Emmie Kay wrote: 4 years ago I made a suggestion after that comment for my “one small thing”, that that I’m more interesting in getting an answer to. I think this TB convo needs to be moved off this thread at this point, no?
I feel like we are having a good conversation on point for this thread. If admins want to answer your idea (or mine) they’ll see it - they read everything on here.
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Emmie Kay wrote: 4 years ago I just thought of another suggestion. For TB studs - is there any way to have a separation of Stewardbreds from playerbreds for the offspring gallop results?
To get around this, I personally ignore the freak percentage and use % stakes and alw. More often then not, the freaks are stew-breds and the stallion's percentages are sometimes otherwise pretty average. If I'm still unsure, it's usually pretty easy to go through the top earning offspring and figure out what's what. Mind you, this wouldn't work in, say, DRs because freaks are way more common than in, say, TS, but it's what I do...
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