Total Purses in the SIM

[Glenn Escobar]

I still believe, nearly 200 posts into this and most of us having slept on it at least once, that a fundamental issue here is whether or not there is an appetite to charge players something for nothing.

Because any tax or tithe or assessment or fee or whatever word we want - at least as currently proposed - is basically just a straight extraction of cash. So I'm wondering if it's less of an issue of which plan is better or worse or needs tinkering, and more an issue of "should we charge a fee that returns nothing of benefit to any of the players"?

If memory serves me right, and who knows at this point, we have (at least) the Tim Matthews plan, the Pete Vella plan, the Glenn Larson plan and some ideas that have been proposed by a few of our Paint Specialists, and probably some more that I missed. But ask this...........is any plan that adds a fee with no benefit returned going to help?

What if the discussion veered over not into which tax plan to use, but rather into which existing fees for services could be increased in order to meet the same goal? As it stands you can use the vet or the ask the jockey or the Bloodstock Agent or the Horse Whisperer --- they all have a fee, the time may be at hand to increase some or all of those fees, I'm not sure. But I do know that at least in that scenario, your cash goes toward something of tangible value to you.

Again, it's not that the tax plans are good or bad, it's just that they don't accomplish anything other than the extraction of cash. To combat SIMflation. Which it's also worth noting that some in this thread have questioned really if SIMflation is that bad, based on the current prices of horses sold both by the players and the Steward.

If we increase existing fees --- on all the above mentioned stuff, on Stakes entries or possibly all entries, on things where you pay for something and receive something --- then money comes out of the game, and as was suggested in I believe the Larson plan, it could be put back in by way of new players. Or it could just be held out of the game. But it would at least be coming out in exchange for a tangible benefit.

[Kent Saunders]

My vision for these 200+posts is that Management needs to review them for their merits (or lack of) and take into account the various support (or not) and try and come to a determination which are the best to implement and which are not. Or if any are suitable at this time. I think that was the goal of making the initial post on Purse Cuts which was to spur conversation and ideas which thankfully it has and in a mostly civil tone with alot of give and take. I still have an open mind and will do my best to accept and adapt to any changes that get made in the interest of the game.

[Danny Derby]

This thread should be re-titled "Ideas to make the SIM less fun".

It seems like everyone is too busy talking about taxes to remember that the Derby is tonight. Go enter my contest here https://www.simhorseracing.com/simforum ... 19#p405919 for your chance to win $400,000 of non-invented money!

[Rochelle Bos]

I think the “inflation isn’t a think because look how cheap horses sell for” argument really isn’t true. You’re looking at allowance an under, the people with money don’t want those, so they are sold at a price less lucrative people can afford. I think I’m order to see how inflation is effecting the game you need to look at stakes and freak sell/lease (do people sell freaks?) and how much good mares sell/lease for. Those are the horses the people with money can “dominate” leaving average joe unable to compete with their bids. I’ve seen mares be lease for over a million, for one foal. That’s ridiculous imo. And the reason they can be leased for so much? $1 mil+ on one mare lease isn’t a big deal to someone with $50 mil. The price of top horses keeps increasing, because that’s what people with money are buying. The allowance and lower horses are staying cheap because that’s the target market.

I hope that makes sense...I’m sicker than sick today...it’s been 3 weeks. *dead*

[George Knatz]

This thread should be re-titled "Ideas to make the SIM less fun".

It seems like everyone is too busy talking about taxes to remember that the Derby is tonight. Go enter my contest here https://www.simhorseracing.com/simforum ... 19#p405919 for your chance to win $400,000 of non-invented money!

I agree 100%. People play games to escape from real life. All this tax talk makes the game much less fun.

[The Steward]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

[Rebecca Rose Hepburn]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

Does that include money in 'dead' accounts?

ETA by that I mean money in accounts of those who have dispersed and not logged in within several months/years

[The Steward]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

Does that include money in 'dead' accounts?

ETA by that I mean money in accounts of those who have dispersed and not logged in within several months/years

No, it is only active money.

I went through and removed Kya and Ara's money too, to get the idea of how much "active" money there was. They can have it back if they ever notice....

[Danny Derby]

I feel like the team missed a golden opportunity to take money out of the game when they introduced the "Later Bloomer/Will Progress/Peak" gallop comments for free. I'd gladly have paid for those, and would probably have checked all my in training horses once or twice a year.

[Tom Lin]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

A $300K difference is roughly a 15% difference. Lower everyone's bank balance accordingly.

[Rochelle Bos]

I went through and removed Kya and Ara's money too, to get the idea of how much "active" money there was. They can have it back if they ever notice....

Feel free to just plop that in my account, I'll keep it safe for them

[Ronnie Dee]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

So you just want to reduce the amount in the Sim economy by just $300 million? That's it?

A simple way to do this is for you to "magically" create 150 blue hen mares, breed them, and then auction off the mares and foals. I am pretty sure that these 300 horses would bring in considerably more than $315 million (I budgeted $15 million for stud fees).

[Mr. Lord Rich]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

So you just want to reduce the amount in the Sim economy by just $300 million? That's it?

A simple way to do this is for you to "magically" create 150 blue hen mares, breed them, and then auction off the mares and foals. I am pretty sure that these 300 horses would bring in considerably more than $315 million (I budgeted $15 million for stud fees).

Some of us are getting tired of magically created fillies, Colts, mares, studs, goats, turtles ect ect ect, but we will continue to purchase them when they are sold as we would be at a disadvantage if we did not.

I mean it will eventually come to the point that there is no reason to breed a horse since It will most likely not perform to the same standard level of the magically created ones that we can simply buy to fight simflamtion.

It’s already bad enough with the amount of steward breds in the game.

We need less magically created horses, not more.

[The Steward]

Plus they are just one time fixes. Within days the press would push us past the desired amount again.

[Ronnie Dee]

Finally getting around to answering a big question: the amount we prefer to have in the SIM economy at any one time is $1.9 billion.

Current amount is $2.2 billion.

(This does NOT count AJ/Steward/Admin bankrolls)

A $300K difference is roughly a 15% difference. Lower everyone's bank balance accordingly.

What about the following compromise?
A 10% drop in bankrolls would yield approximately $220 million.
A 10% jockey commission on purses won would yield approximately $133 million.
Enacting both would yield approximately $353 million.