Total Purses in the SIM

[George Knatz]

I don’t know if implementing features which allow wealthier barns to get extra races or seasons from their best horses is the way to go? Doesn’t that further create a divide between low, middle and upper class barns? It would seem like a punishment almost, if a small barn struck gold and bred a Stakes or Freak but couldn’t afford what the bigger barns could to keep them actively racing for longer...

Was that a run on sentence? Sure felt like one. I also wanted to say I appreciate the time Tim took to come up with a plan and discuss it with supporters and skeptics alike.

Good point but it doesn’t have to be an extravagant amount of money and it doesn’t have to be the first year either. I don’t expect it to happen but he asked for ideas.

I bred a freak my first year and had help from multiple people to insure her and make sure my barn functioned. There’s help out there if you need it.

You can already get extra seasons.

[Glenn Escobar]

I don’t know if implementing features which allow wealthier barns to get extra races or seasons from their best horses is the way to go? Doesn’t that further create a divide between low, middle and upper class barns? It would seem like a punishment almost, if a small barn struck gold and bred a Stakes or Freak but couldn’t afford what the bigger barns could to keep them actively racing for longer...

Was that a run on sentence? Sure felt like one. I also wanted to say I appreciate the time Tim took to come up with a plan and discuss it with supporters and skeptics alike.

Was it a discussion though really?

The “skeptics” in your post were shouted down for their anti-tax stance. Which, as it turns out, is also the stance of SIM Mgmt as well. So those skeptics weren’t wrong. They weren’t “insane fear-mongering”, which was also a charge levied against them earlier in the thread.

Those skeptics were simply in agreement with the stated desire of the game to not implement taxation.

[Tammy Stawicki]

I think it’s funny that we talk about purses being “slashed” but the numbers don’t show it. It almost seems like the purses that were increased made up for the reductions.

Some of the suggestions are clever but address the issue in a backwards way. A huge source invented money is the purses. Does it really make sense to keep purses high, but to impose fees directly related to those purses? That is exactly the same as reducing the purses.

As one of those people I can comment on this. My feel is that while some people are cranky about thoroughbred purse cuts the biggest angst is in mixers. Part of this is fear that it will be harder for horses to hit that 350k cutoff to become a stallion and as many mixer divisions are already suffering from lack of stallion diversity this is worrisome. So for me its not necessarily about the earning potential for me (as I have plenty of money) but the earning potentials for my horses. If money was taken from me not them that would get around it.


I would also add I like the idea of sponsoring a race for offpring of a stallion.

[Ronnie Dee]

Possible New Addition: For Sim$, you can ask the bloodstock agent to suggest some "good" stallions (e.g., a list of 5) over a specified stud fee range (e.g., [$10K, $20K]) for a specific mare.

[Mr. Lord Rich]

When will this thread die?

[Jo Ferris]

I think it’s funny that we talk about purses being “slashed” but the numbers don’t show it. It almost seems like the purses that were increased made up for the reductions.

Some of the suggestions are clever but address the issue in a backwards way. A huge source invented money is the purses. Does it really make sense to keep purses high, but to impose fees directly related to those purses? That is exactly the same as reducing the purses.

As one of those people I can comment on this. My feel is that while some people are cranky about thoroughbred purse cuts the biggest angst is in mixers. Part of this is fear that it will be harder for horses to hit that 350k cutoff to become a stallion and as many mixer divisions are already suffering from lack of stallion diversity this is worrisome. So for me its not necessarily about the earning potential for me (as I have plenty of money) but the earning potentials for my horses. If money was taken from me not them that would get around it.


I would also add I like the idea of sponsoring a race for offpring of a stallion.

With Tammy on both points. The purse cuts I feel it's mostly mixer people who are voicing a dislike to it mostly because of the stallion requirements. I only speak for paints, but paints are already hurting stallion wise. I wouldn't be as concerned about the purse cuts if the stallion requirement was lowered for lower earning breeds.

Sponsoring a race for a stallions offspring, I like that idea

[Tammy Stawicki]

With Tammy on both points. The purse cuts I feel it's mostly mixer people who are voicing a dislike to it mostly because of the stallion requirements. I only speak for paints, but paints are already hurting stallion wise. I wouldn't be as concerned about the purse cuts if the stallion requirement was lowered for lower earning breeds

Also nice would be more playerbred stallions being at the same level as the game created ones

[Gavin Guile]

I think it’s funny that we talk about purses being “slashed” but the numbers don’t show it. It almost seems like the purses that were increased made up for the reductions.

Some of the suggestions are clever but address the issue in a backwards way. A huge source invented money is the purses. Does it really make sense to keep purses high, but to impose fees directly related to those purses? That is exactly the same as reducing the purses.

As one of those people I can comment on this. My feel is that while some people are cranky about thoroughbred purse cuts the biggest angst is in mixers. Part of this is fear that it will be harder for horses to hit that 350k cutoff to become a stallion and as many mixer divisions are already suffering from lack of stallion diversity this is worrisome. So for me its not necessarily about the earning potential for me (as I have plenty of money) but the earning potentials for my horses. If money was taken from me not them that would get around it.


I would also add I like the idea of sponsoring a race for offpring of a stallion.

On the broadcast last night Em hinted at a possible change to the 350k minimum for mixer stallions (and changes to foal limits) so stay tuned...

[Shannon Hunt]

Is there any available stat on how much money is taken out of the game by AJing horses under five years old now that there's a fee involved?

(Apologies if this has been asked or posted somewhere in this thread or elsewhere already, there's a lot to read and not a lot of brain to read it with)

[Ronnie Dee]

When will this thread die?

In recent posts, I read about the possibilities of sponsoring stallion stakes (entrants must be offspring of the stallion). This sounds like it could be fun.

Maybe a new thread should be started entitled "New and Fun Ways to Spend Sim$"?

[Tom Lin]

I think it’s funny that we talk about purses being “slashed” but the numbers don’t show it. It almost seems like the purses that were increased made up for the reductions.

This is in itself confusing. Doubling some maiden purses and cutting some stake races by as much as 75% - see GP sired stakes.

[Gavin Guile]

I think it’s funny that we talk about purses being “slashed” but the numbers don’t show it. It almost seems like the purses that were increased made up for the reductions.

This is in itself confusing. Doubling some maiden purses and cutting some stake races by as much as 75% - see GP sired stakes.

See this thread Tom: https://www.simhorseracing.com/simforum ... =2&t=47566

[Tim Matthews]

Tim if you don’t like what I post block me. Don’t tell me to stop posting.

I would never do that, George! I was just suggesting, if the thread makes you so upset, that you either A) make a post defending your position, or B) not read the thread. It's useless to just vaguely complain, don't you think?

Reading all your posts, I’m pretty sure you don’t want to know what I think unless I agree with you.

I love to know what people think. What I don't love is when they deflect, scaremonger, and don't engage in good faith.

Taxing your bank balance doesn't make sense. Should someone with $100mil in cash be taxed, but someone with $10,000 in cash, and a million horses not taxed?

I'm curious why, specifically, it doesn't make sense. Which stables have no money and a ton of horses? And why should they be taxed the same as Laura and April? The reason a bankroll tithe is optimal is becauase it takes the most from those who have the most. Taxing someone with 10k is useless, and only serves to hinder that person.

Perhaps a graduated day-rate based on the number of horses you have? Increasing the farm recurring fees? Something costs you more unless you donate bunches of money to a pretend SIM cause (build a better pool for the AJ horses?)

I've said it before, but a graduated day rate based on number of horses is something I'm pretty interested in. Accruing a ton of cheap fillies was basically a cheat code for this game back in the day, and it's how a number of HoF-level trainers got their start. It would hit the biggest and likely richest stables hardest, which makes sense intuitively and financially.

[Tammy Stawicki]

I think it’s funny that we talk about purses being “slashed” but the numbers don’t show it. It almost seems like the purses that were increased made up for the reductions.

Some of the suggestions are clever but address the issue in a backwards way. A huge source invented money is the purses. Does it really make sense to keep purses high, but to impose fees directly related to those purses? That is exactly the same as reducing the purses.

As one of those people I can comment on this. My feel is that while some people are cranky about thoroughbred purse cuts the biggest angst is in mixers. Part of this is fear that it will be harder for horses to hit that 350k cutoff to become a stallion and as many mixer divisions are already suffering from lack of stallion diversity this is worrisome. So for me its not necessarily about the earning potential for me (as I have plenty of money) but the earning potentials for my horses. If money was taken from me not them that would get around it.


I would also add I like the idea of sponsoring a race for offpring of a stallion.

On the broadcast last night Em hinted at a possible change to the 350k minimum for mixer stallions (and changes to foal limits) so stay tuned...

Ooooooh.... separate limits for cross breed and withinbreed <fingers crossed> separate limits for cross breed and withinbreed <fingers crossed>
separate limits for cross breed and withinbreed <fingers crossed>

[Tim Matthews]

a ton of very angry nonsense

I really hit a nerve with you, huh?

When will this thread die?

Mercifully, when the sun envelops the Earth