Oh my gosh, all of this is giving me the “DON’T SELL ANYTHING EVER!” mentality!Laura Ferguson wrote: ↑4 years agoI didn't really check for late bloomer/peak when galloping my horses, but I'll have to remember to do that in Week 8. That said, I usually have horses improve at 5 and even 6. I checked the one that went just went stakes at age 6 after galloping allowance ages 1-5, and here's the history in terms of late bloomer/peak comments:Polk Buffalo wrote: ↑4 years ago I galloped my late, late bloomers that turned 4. (they were all late bloomers after Y54W9D1) All of them (about 60) changed to peak reached today.
Someone said that horses could be late bloomers after turning 4. I am sure that is not the case.
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I'm a frickin happy camper! After last year I'm SO thrilled I managed to breed my first freak TB <3 anyway! I finally got all my yearlings sorted into their gallop sub comments:
96 TB Late Bloomers
6 Stakes (2x All of Us Dreamers, Strong and Free, Noctis, Happy This Way, Kingdom Come)
24 Allowance
12 Solid
29 Claimer
1 Different Career
73 TB Progressive
1 Freak (Many Nights)
4 Stakes (James Dean, Little Fictions, Kentucky Wildcat, Noctis)
17 Allowance
14 Productive
8 Solid
28 Claimer
1 Different Career
10 TB Peak
2 Stakes (Doctor Who[Stewie], Avada Kedavra)
3 Productive
2 Solid
3 Claimer
28 Paint Late Bloomers
4 Stakes (3 His Will to Live, Mr. Rose Thorn)
11 Allowance
9 Productive
4 Solid
0 Claimer
25 Paint Progressive
2 Stakes (Too for the Show, His Will to Live)
5 Allowance
4 Productive
9 Solid
5 Claimer
8 Paint Peak
2 Allowance
5 Productive
1 Solid
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For improves I had these all go up to Stakes:
TB
4yo TS (Cross the Crown) <--- SUPER excited for these two!
4yo TS (Cross the Crown) <--- Since he is my own boy haha
3yo TS (Turn An Army)
3yo TM (Frankel)
3yo TR (Moonscape)
3yo TR (Summerland)
3yo TR (Take Me Up)
4yo TR (Time Limit)
3yo DR (Native Pride)
3yo DR (James Dean)
3yo DR (Allonsy)
3yo DR (Man of Mystery)
4yo DR (Space and Time)
Appy
4yo DS (Cant Be Caught)
Paint
2yo DM (Inspired Jet Flash)
QH
4yo DS (Starry Sky Spirit)
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Also just for fun, this year my stakes paint horse named Paint and my Chase Freak steeplechaser named Steeplechaser hit the track this year lol
96 TB Late Bloomers
6 Stakes (2x All of Us Dreamers, Strong and Free, Noctis, Happy This Way, Kingdom Come)
24 Allowance
12 Solid
29 Claimer
1 Different Career
73 TB Progressive
1 Freak (Many Nights)
4 Stakes (James Dean, Little Fictions, Kentucky Wildcat, Noctis)
17 Allowance
14 Productive
8 Solid
28 Claimer
1 Different Career
10 TB Peak
2 Stakes (Doctor Who[Stewie], Avada Kedavra)
3 Productive
2 Solid
3 Claimer
28 Paint Late Bloomers
4 Stakes (3 His Will to Live, Mr. Rose Thorn)
11 Allowance
9 Productive
4 Solid
0 Claimer
25 Paint Progressive
2 Stakes (Too for the Show, His Will to Live)
5 Allowance
4 Productive
9 Solid
5 Claimer
8 Paint Peak
2 Allowance
5 Productive
1 Solid
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For improves I had these all go up to Stakes:
TB
4yo TS (Cross the Crown) <--- SUPER excited for these two!
4yo TS (Cross the Crown) <--- Since he is my own boy haha
3yo TS (Turn An Army)
3yo TM (Frankel)
3yo TR (Moonscape)
3yo TR (Summerland)
3yo TR (Take Me Up)
4yo TR (Time Limit)
3yo DR (Native Pride)
3yo DR (James Dean)
3yo DR (Allonsy)
3yo DR (Man of Mystery)
4yo DR (Space and Time)
Appy
4yo DS (Cant Be Caught)
Paint
2yo DM (Inspired Jet Flash)
QH
4yo DS (Starry Sky Spirit)
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Also just for fun, this year my stakes paint horse named Paint and my Chase Freak steeplechaser named Steeplechaser hit the track this year lol
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
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Bred 25 TBs this season and this one is my best.
She is a stakes by James Dean.
Bred 25 TBs this season and this one is my best.
She is a stakes by James Dean.
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Okay, so I finally did some numbers and here's what I've got.
53 total yearlings
11 claimers (20.7%)
4 solid (7.5%)
9 productive (16.9%)
21 allowance (39.6%)
7 stakes (13.2%)
1 freak (1.9%)
So roughly 55% allowance or better. Now what makes me feel much better about this whole crop is the maturity numbers.
Peak: 7 (1 claimer, 2 productive, 3 allowance, 1 stakes)
Progressive: 20 (4 claimer, 4 solid, 1 productive, 9 allowance, 2 stakes)
Late Bloomers: 26 (6 claimer, 6 productive, 9 allowance, 4 stakes, 1 freak)
Gallop Sires:
Freak: Valar by Kementari
Stakes: Farseer, James Dean, Merlin, Night's Quiet, Obsidian Fury, Shine Bright and Summerland
Maturity Sires:
Peak: Avada Kedavra, Deputy Governor, Farseer, Giant, Loveless, Mister Awesome, Shine Bright
Progressive: Bregman, Conquerer, Dancer, Dave Matthews Band, Fireproof, Follow Your Fate, Giant, Gladiator, Greatest Showman, James Dean, Le Vent Se Leve, Merlin, Moon Faced, Nighteyes, Obsidian Fury x 4, Time Limit, With Us in Spirit
Late Bloomer: After the Disco, Antares, Brilliance, Coleman Hell, Conquerer, Don't You Remember, Farseer, Giant x3, Kementari, Kingdom Come, Lazy Dog, Like Diamonds, Mr. Wonderful, Night's Quiet, Nighteyes x2, Obsidian Fury x2, Omaha Beach, Phenomenal One, Summerland, Thanos, The King, Thunder Horse
Now for my upgrades. NONE of my 29 two-year-olds improved in either gallop or maturity. So that's interesting. However, my older horses were a very very different story.
Allowance to Stakes:
Chronology (Kilgrave) - Progressive to Peak
Hear Your Voice (Hear You Me) - Late Bloomer to Peak
I had 2 more of these that I leased out and now I can't remember who they were haha
Stakes to Freak
Box Office (Indiana Jones) - Late Bloomer to Peak
Guide Her Home (Man of Msytery) - Late Bloomer to Peak
Perfume (Night's Quiet) - Late Bloomer to Peak
Vivacia has always been a freak but finally went from late bloomer to peak as a 4yo mare.
53 total yearlings
11 claimers (20.7%)
4 solid (7.5%)
9 productive (16.9%)
21 allowance (39.6%)
7 stakes (13.2%)
1 freak (1.9%)
So roughly 55% allowance or better. Now what makes me feel much better about this whole crop is the maturity numbers.
Peak: 7 (1 claimer, 2 productive, 3 allowance, 1 stakes)
Progressive: 20 (4 claimer, 4 solid, 1 productive, 9 allowance, 2 stakes)
Late Bloomers: 26 (6 claimer, 6 productive, 9 allowance, 4 stakes, 1 freak)
Gallop Sires:
Freak: Valar by Kementari
Stakes: Farseer, James Dean, Merlin, Night's Quiet, Obsidian Fury, Shine Bright and Summerland
Maturity Sires:
Peak: Avada Kedavra, Deputy Governor, Farseer, Giant, Loveless, Mister Awesome, Shine Bright
Progressive: Bregman, Conquerer, Dancer, Dave Matthews Band, Fireproof, Follow Your Fate, Giant, Gladiator, Greatest Showman, James Dean, Le Vent Se Leve, Merlin, Moon Faced, Nighteyes, Obsidian Fury x 4, Time Limit, With Us in Spirit
Late Bloomer: After the Disco, Antares, Brilliance, Coleman Hell, Conquerer, Don't You Remember, Farseer, Giant x3, Kementari, Kingdom Come, Lazy Dog, Like Diamonds, Mr. Wonderful, Night's Quiet, Nighteyes x2, Obsidian Fury x2, Omaha Beach, Phenomenal One, Summerland, Thanos, The King, Thunder Horse
Now for my upgrades. NONE of my 29 two-year-olds improved in either gallop or maturity. So that's interesting. However, my older horses were a very very different story.
Allowance to Stakes:
Chronology (Kilgrave) - Progressive to Peak
Hear Your Voice (Hear You Me) - Late Bloomer to Peak
I had 2 more of these that I leased out and now I can't remember who they were haha
Stakes to Freak
Box Office (Indiana Jones) - Late Bloomer to Peak
Guide Her Home (Man of Msytery) - Late Bloomer to Peak
Perfume (Night's Quiet) - Late Bloomer to Peak
Vivacia has always been a freak but finally went from late bloomer to peak as a 4yo mare.
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
I agree that horses occasionally (very rare) can improve at any age. But the "scheduled" improvement to go from "late bloomer" to "peak reached" can be no later than when the horse turns four.
I think we are both right
I think we are both right
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From a crop of 12 foals, my absolute favorite, a colt by Kingdom Come out of my homebred Love Unwavering galloped freak with the late bloomer comment! I'm extremely pleased. This is my first homebred freak by Kingdom Come, and I'm very happy.
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Had festivus 2.0 with Sten’s Dirty things auction and had got 2 stakes gallopers and 3 allowances out of 6 to gallop. Super happy about that!
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She was the star of my show this go around.
A nice mix of speed and endurance in her breeding.
A stakes galloper, late bloomer with a bright future, so reach for your sunglasses!
She was the star of my show this go around.
A nice mix of speed and endurance in her breeding.
A stakes galloper, late bloomer with a bright future, so reach for your sunglasses!
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
I see a lot of people are galloping their 2+ year old horses during break to look for upgrades/downgrades. Does galloping during the break for older horses still come with the normal training fatigue? In other words, my assumption is that you would not want to gallop a horse that ran in Week 16 or a horse that you plan to run in Week 1? Is this accurate or is there a "free pass" during the break?
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
Hey Veritas,
Its kinda a little of both. You accumulate half rest during the break on the days when races are open and the day rate is being charged. So if you gallop on Saturday after races open your horse will get an extra 3 days (ish) of rest which is about what it takes to recover from a gallop. That means you are kind of getting a free gallop. A lot of people also choose not to gallop older horses so they can get a little bit of extra rest. Also, make sure your horses, especially those who ran week 16, arent getting the "be careful" message before you gallop them because they can still get injured.
Its kinda a little of both. You accumulate half rest during the break on the days when races are open and the day rate is being charged. So if you gallop on Saturday after races open your horse will get an extra 3 days (ish) of rest which is about what it takes to recover from a gallop. That means you are kind of getting a free gallop. A lot of people also choose not to gallop older horses so they can get a little bit of extra rest. Also, make sure your horses, especially those who ran week 16, arent getting the "be careful" message before you gallop them because they can still get injured.
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
AJR,
Thanks! Did not connect those dots when reading the help section. This is useful to know.
Thanks! Did not connect those dots when reading the help section. This is useful to know.
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
Phew, I'm finally done! It took me some time to finish since I ended up having to do this around work.
I'm not the most thrilled with how I did this past breeding season, but I do have some lovely foals I am excited for and I have quite a few that are Late Blooming or have the ability to get better.
So without further ado.
My Festivus Y55.
Yearlings
Arabian:
2 Allowance (DRx2)
1 Solid (DS)
3 Claimer (DS, DRx2)
Paint:
4 Productive (DSx2, DRx2)
1 Solid (DR)
2 Claimer (DM, DR)
Quarter Horse:
3 Allowance (DSx2, DM)
4 Solid (DS, DMx3)
1 Claimer (DM)
Pacer:
4 Allowance
5 Solid
2 Claimer
Thoroughbred:
9 Allowance (DSx2, TSx2, DMx2, DRx3)
8 Productie (DMx4, DRx3, TRx1)
2 Solid (DRx2)
10 Claimer (AWM, DM, TM, DRx4. TRx3)
2 Different Career (DR, S)
Totals:
63 Foals
18 Allowance w or w.o stakes
12 Productive
13Solid
18 Claimer
2 Different Career
Older Horse Changes
5yo Pacer - Chancetobealive: Productive -Peak -> Allowance -Peak
4yo Pacer - Devilonmyshoulder: Allowance -> Stakes - Peak (Milage)
4yo Pacer - Scoville Index: Solid - Late Bloomer-> Productive - Peak
4yo QH - A Dash of Bitters: Productive - Progressive-> Allowance - Peak
3yo TB - Nott: Productive - Late Bloomer-> Allowance - Peak
3yo TB - On a Bumble: Productive - Late Bloomer-> Allowance - Peak
3yo TB - Spoken Harmony: Claimer - Late Bloomer-> Solid - Peak
4yo TB - Cubbies Win: Claimer -> Productive - Peak
4yo TB - Dream Journal: Claimer - Late Bloomer -> Productive - Peak
4yo TB - Genetic Mutation: Claimer - Late Bloomer -> Productive - Peak
4yo TB - Jacaques Marina: Productive -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Jack of Diamonds: Productive- Late Bloomer -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Splitdownthemiddle: Productive - Progress -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Stoick the Brave: Productive - Late Bloomer -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Super Man: Productive - Late Bloomer -> Allowance - Peak
Leases
4yo TB - Ravenclaw's Diadem - Allowance - Late Bloomer -> Stakes - Peak (Redmayne) *Danny Derby lease*
I'm not the most thrilled with how I did this past breeding season, but I do have some lovely foals I am excited for and I have quite a few that are Late Blooming or have the ability to get better.
So without further ado.
My Festivus Y55.
Yearlings
Arabian:
2 Allowance (DRx2)
1 Solid (DS)
3 Claimer (DS, DRx2)
Paint:
4 Productive (DSx2, DRx2)
1 Solid (DR)
2 Claimer (DM, DR)
Quarter Horse:
3 Allowance (DSx2, DM)
4 Solid (DS, DMx3)
1 Claimer (DM)
Pacer:
4 Allowance
5 Solid
2 Claimer
Thoroughbred:
9 Allowance (DSx2, TSx2, DMx2, DRx3)
8 Productie (DMx4, DRx3, TRx1)
2 Solid (DRx2)
10 Claimer (AWM, DM, TM, DRx4. TRx3)
2 Different Career (DR, S)
Totals:
63 Foals
18 Allowance w or w.o stakes
12 Productive
13Solid
18 Claimer
2 Different Career
Older Horse Changes
5yo Pacer - Chancetobealive: Productive -Peak -> Allowance -Peak
4yo Pacer - Devilonmyshoulder: Allowance -> Stakes - Peak (Milage)
4yo Pacer - Scoville Index: Solid - Late Bloomer-> Productive - Peak
4yo QH - A Dash of Bitters: Productive - Progressive-> Allowance - Peak
3yo TB - Nott: Productive - Late Bloomer-> Allowance - Peak
3yo TB - On a Bumble: Productive - Late Bloomer-> Allowance - Peak
3yo TB - Spoken Harmony: Claimer - Late Bloomer-> Solid - Peak
4yo TB - Cubbies Win: Claimer -> Productive - Peak
4yo TB - Dream Journal: Claimer - Late Bloomer -> Productive - Peak
4yo TB - Genetic Mutation: Claimer - Late Bloomer -> Productive - Peak
4yo TB - Jacaques Marina: Productive -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Jack of Diamonds: Productive- Late Bloomer -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Splitdownthemiddle: Productive - Progress -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Stoick the Brave: Productive - Late Bloomer -> Allowance - Peak
4yo TB - Super Man: Productive - Late Bloomer -> Allowance - Peak
Leases
4yo TB - Ravenclaw's Diadem - Allowance - Late Bloomer -> Stakes - Peak (Redmayne) *Danny Derby lease*
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
Slightly less bad than I originally though it seems. Although still not happy - but I never am.
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
seems everybodys horses are improving except mine haha
I expect to be left in the dust this season now
I expect to be left in the dust this season now
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Re: Festivus...how'd you do?
I only had the one horse improve and she was 3. I suspect you’ll have plenty of horses improve in the week 9 change, I remember I had way more horses change at that time last year.Sten Rino Haakonsen wrote: ↑4 years ago seems everybodys horses are improving except mine haha
I expect to be left in the dust this season now