Will you be using First Class Shipping?

[Laura Smith]

Yes, though I lament the loss of strategy required in choosing the correct circuit for a horse based on the stakes schedule/race spacing, level of competition, other top horses who have chosen to race on that circuit, availability of purse money, weather trends, and accrued tiredness from shipping distances... I guess it'll be cool to see if I can race a Very Sound in back to back weeks?

Oops. I did it. I did a discussion. Just can't help myself.

The Steward did talk about this in another thread.

There's actually an added element of cleverness needed to train now. Yes, if you pay the fee you can have more international races. But racing against top horses all the time usually leads to higher speed figures and makes them more tired, thus you can actually do damage if you go for ALL the gold... going to have to pick and choose your spots, maybe even more carefully than before.

I saw that, but I'm not talking about top horses, really. I pick and choose circuits for all my decent horses carefully, based on all of the above factors. When someone can just pop into Chile or Russia or whatever on a whim to prep their SC horse, it defeats the purpose of me specifically placing a 3rd rate stakes horse there where they can win because of several reasons not least of which is that it's far away and no one's going to send their good horses there for one race.

Don't mean to be negative, I just enjoy playing devil's advocate.

[Rochelle Bos]

Yes, though I lament the loss of strategy required in choosing the correct circuit for a horse based on the stakes schedule/race spacing, level of competition, other top horses who have chosen to race on that circuit, availability of purse money, weather trends, and accrued tiredness from shipping distances... I guess it'll be cool to see if I can race a Very Sound in back to back weeks?

Oops. I did it. I did a discussion. Just can't help myself.

The Steward did talk about this in another thread.

There's actually an added element of cleverness needed to train now. Yes, if you pay the fee you can have more international races. But racing against top horses all the time usually leads to higher speed figures and makes them more tired, thus you can actually do damage if you go for ALL the gold... going to have to pick and choose your spots, maybe even more carefully than before.

I saw that, but I'm not talking about top horses, really. I pick and choose circuits for all my decent horses carefully, based on all of the above factors. When someone can just pop into Chile or Russia or whatever on a whim to prep their SC horse, it defeats the purpose of me specifically placing a 3rd rate stakes horse there where they can win because of several reasons not least of which is that it's far away and no one's going to send their good horses there for one race.

Don't mean to be negative, I just enjoy playing devil's advocate.

This is what I have been saying!

[Willowcreek Farms]

Yes, though I lament the loss of strategy required in choosing the correct circuit for a horse based on the stakes schedule/race spacing, level of competition, other top horses who have chosen to race on that circuit, availability of purse money, weather trends, and accrued tiredness from shipping distances... I guess it'll be cool to see if I can race a Very Sound in back to back weeks?

Oops. I did it. I did a discussion. Just can't help myself.

The Steward did talk about this in another thread.

There's actually an added element of cleverness needed to train now. Yes, if you pay the fee you can have more international races. But racing against top horses all the time usually leads to higher speed figures and makes them more tired, thus you can actually do damage if you go for ALL the gold... going to have to pick and choose your spots, maybe even more carefully than before.

I have been playing this game for 8 years and didn't know this about the SF:Tiredness thing. Makes sense. So I stand corrected on my last post and apologize for my ignorance and somewhat wingy comment.

To deal with potential excessive travel make the international/long distance travel more appropriately expensive. If it really only cost $1,800 to ship a horse from Canada to NZ I Would have definitely brought my TB mare to NZ in RL. (I miss you Ghost Girl) Just a thought....

[The Steward]

Yes, though I lament the loss of strategy required in choosing the correct circuit for a horse based on the stakes schedule/race spacing, level of competition, other top horses who have chosen to race on that circuit, availability of purse money, weather trends, and accrued tiredness from shipping distances... I guess it'll be cool to see if I can race a Very Sound in back to back weeks?

Oops. I did it. I did a discussion. Just can't help myself.

The Steward did talk about this in another thread.

There's actually an added element of cleverness needed to train now. Yes, if you pay the fee you can have more international races. But racing against top horses all the time usually leads to higher speed figures and makes them more tired, thus you can actually do damage if you go for ALL the gold... going to have to pick and choose your spots, maybe even more carefully than before.

I have been playing this game for 8 years and didn't know this about the SF:Tiredness thing. Makes sense. So I stand corrected on my last post and apologize for my ignorance and somewhat wingy comment.

To deal with potential excessive travel make the international/long distance travel more appropriately expensive. If it really only cost $1,800 to ship a horse from Canada to NZ I Would have definitely brought my TB mare to NZ in RL. (I miss you Ghost Girl) Just a thought....

We're already discussing that we priced it wayyyy too low.

[Andrew James]

The Steward did talk about this in another thread.

I have been playing this game for 8 years and didn't know this about the SF:Tiredness thing. Makes sense. So I stand corrected on my last post and apologize for my ignorance and somewhat wingy comment.

To deal with potential excessive travel make the international/long distance travel more appropriately expensive. If it really only cost $1,800 to ship a horse from Canada to NZ I Would have definitely brought my TB mare to NZ in RL. (I miss you Ghost Girl) Just a thought....

We're already discussing that we priced it wayyyy too low.

I am using it.
And I know this thread isnt for a discussion but I have yet to offer my thoughts and this seems to be the best place to do so.
Jack up the price 10x but make it selectable per horse. My Alaskan horses really don't need this. The way it is currently setup it kinda removes some of the fun of the local circuits as well. There is definitely a loss of strategic fun, I used to pre plan shipping dirt milers to South America, Turkey and Kansai and now it feels kinda like what's the point?
I like this but I think it needs tweaking.

[Willowcreek Farms]

The Steward did talk about this in another thread.

I have been playing this game for 8 years and didn't know this about the SF:Tiredness thing. Makes sense. So I stand corrected on my last post and apologize for my ignorance and somewhat wingy comment.

To deal with potential excessive travel make the international/long distance travel more appropriately expensive. If it really only cost $1,800 to ship a horse from Canada to NZ I Would have definitely brought my TB mare to NZ in RL. (I miss you Ghost Girl) Just a thought....

We're already discussing that we priced it wayyyy too low.

EXCELLENT!!! (And I meant to say whinge not wingy)

[Willowcreek Farms]

I have been playing this game for 8 years and didn't know this about the SF:Tiredness thing. Makes sense. So I stand corrected on my last post and apologize for my ignorance and somewhat wingy comment.

To deal with potential excessive travel make the international/long distance travel more appropriately expensive. If it really only cost $1,800 to ship a horse from Canada to NZ I Would have definitely brought my TB mare to NZ in RL. (I miss you Ghost Girl) Just a thought....

We're already discussing that we priced it wayyyy too low.

I am using it.
And I know this thread isnt for a discussion but I have yet to offer my thoughts and this seems to be the best place to do so.
Jack up the price 10x but make it selectable per horse. My Alaskan horses really don't need this. The way it is currently setup it kinda removes some of the fun of the local circuits as well. There is definitely a loss of strategic fun, I used to pre plan shipping dirt milers to South America, Turkey and Kansai and now it feels kinda like what's the point?
I like this but I think it needs tweaking.

My Alaska claimers stay put up north for instance. I would rather skip a race and leave them idling in the barn instead of travelling with them. Keeps them fresher in ly mind. My good but not great sprinters run the Dashing Downs and Kentucky circuit. My 2yo run in Cali or Winnipeg and only my better horses move around a bit. Keeps the costs down and the horses fresher IMO.

[Glenn Escobar]

Can we just use it for longer than 2 game days before deciding it needs a bunch of tweaking?

It’s an optional feature. So far I’ve heard “it’s too expensive” not “it’s too cheap” from those reluctant to use it.

Since it’s optional, it can always just not be used by a player.

Do we really need to increase the price before even having an idea of what kind of revenues it will generate?

[Andrew James]

We're already discussing that we priced it wayyyy too low.

I am using it.
And I know this thread isnt for a discussion but I have yet to offer my thoughts and this seems to be the best place to do so.
Jack up the price 10x but make it selectable per horse. My Alaskan horses really don't need this. The way it is currently setup it kinda removes some of the fun of the local circuits as well. There is definitely a loss of strategic fun, I used to pre plan shipping dirt milers to South America, Turkey and Kansai and now it feels kinda like what's the point?
I like this but I think it needs tweaking.

My Alaska claimers stay put up north for instance. I would rather skip a race and leave them idling in the barn instead of travelling with them. Keeps them fresher in ly mind. My good but not great sprinters run the Dashing Downs and Kentucky circuit. My 2yo run in Cali or Winnipeg and only my better horses move around a bit. Keeps the costs down and the horses fresher IMO.

Mine too, I just meant that the way it is currently used it is way too much work to constantly go in and turn it on and off on certain days which means shipping my Alaskan horses are costing me 2x what they used to.

[Willowcreek Farms]

I wont use the first class travel. I shedrow all my horses for 2-3 days prior to a race. Not sure if it makes a difference but it costs me nothing (except data) and it makes me feel better. Plus, I plan ahead. If my horses move to a new circuit I move them there after the last race instead of prior to the next race.

[Mr. Lord Rich]

Par for the course with any sim changes...stay tuned for the tweak lol.

[George Knatz]

Par for the course with any sim changes...stay tuned for the tweak lol.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[Glenn Escobar]

Par for the course with any sim changes...stay tuned for the tweak lol.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I just would like to know on what basis it’s wayyyy too cheap. First of all, it’s more than Economy Shipping and it’s optional. If a person thought it was “too cheap”, just use it yourself and then everyone is playing the same way.

Does First Class Shipping have an actual revenue target? Because 61 players signed up in the first 2 days. So can we let the 61 of them plus anyone else who picks it up later, see how much cash it actually pulls from the game before deciding that it’s underpriced?

I tried to be the biggest cheerleader for this Feature, and it’s discouraging that the voice for what looks like an immediate change is a voice of discontent with the Feature in the first place. Again it’s optional. And it will cost those who use it a fair chunk of change. I don’t see why it needs to become cash-punitive on top of that.

[The Steward]

Par for the course with any sim changes...stay tuned for the tweak lol.

Truer words have never been spoken.

I just would like to know on what basis it’s wayyyy too cheap. First of all, it’s more than Economy Shipping and it’s optional. If a person thought it was “too cheap”, just use it yourself and then everyone is playing the same way.

Does First Class Shipping have an actual revenue target? Because 61 players signed up in the first 2 days. So can we let the 61 of them plus anyone else who picks it up later, see how much cash it actually pulls from the game before deciding that it’s underpriced?

I tried to be the biggest cheerleader for this Feature, and it’s discouraging that the voice for what looks like an immediate change is a voice of discontent with the Feature in the first place. Again it’s optional. And it will cost those who use it a fair chunk of change. I don’t see why it needs to become cash-punitive on top of that.

I'm not expressing discontent or saying we are changing it. As you noticed, we try VERY hard not to change things once the year gets going (much to the dismay of the steeplechase types). Just saying it was so immediately popular that we should have charged more and taken more of your money.

[Glenn Escobar]

Truer words have never been spoken.

I just would like to know on what basis it’s wayyyy too cheap. First of all, it’s more than Economy Shipping and it’s optional. If a person thought it was “too cheap”, just use it yourself and then everyone is playing the same way.

Does First Class Shipping have an actual revenue target? Because 61 players signed up in the first 2 days. So can we let the 61 of them plus anyone else who picks it up later, see how much cash it actually pulls from the game before deciding that it’s underpriced?

I tried to be the biggest cheerleader for this Feature, and it’s discouraging that the voice for what looks like an immediate change is a voice of discontent with the Feature in the first place. Again it’s optional. And it will cost those who use it a fair chunk of change. I don’t see why it needs to become cash-punitive on top of that.

I'm not expressing discontent or saying we are changing it. As you noticed, we try VERY hard not to change things once the year gets going (much to the dismay of the steeplechase types). Just saying it was so immediately popular that we should have charged more and taken more of your money.

I’m guessing it is going to take $2.5Million out of my bottom line. That’s my estimated increase in shipping costs while using it. I likely won’t be it’s biggest customer even.

I’m not sure how much more it can take lol.