A Good Trainer. A Definition.

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Gwayne Mike » 3 months ago

Pete Vella wrote:
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Did it really take us until 24 hours before festivus to get a thread going like this?
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Sorry Pete!

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Cleo Patra » 3 months ago

Michael, I’m not going to argue with you from a SIM viewpoint. A fake pony who takes on all the best and wins is a true champion.

However, I will argue all day long that you’re wrong about real life horses, especially mares. Horses like Winx, Black Caviar and Zenyatta won a heap of races and a butt tonne of money and retired sound, sane and celebrated. Unless you’ve actually trained a real life race mare you can’t understand how much of an achievement that is. Managing them physically and mentally to reach a targeted race is complex. They can bolt on the work rider, kick a wall and dislodge a shoe then stand on the nail, step on a stone, get cast, colic, bump a tendon playing in their box because they are half insane when fully primed to race, get kicked behind the gate by another runner etc etc ad infinitum. If I had a mare like them, I’d sit on my pile of money with my sound and happy mare and laugh at all the people calling me a coward.

My definition of a great sim trainer is one who maximises the earnings of their runners but also isn’t afraid to throw a good horse in the deep end.
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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Cleo Patra » 3 months ago

Pete Vella wrote:
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Did it really take us until 24 hours before festivus to get a thread going like this?
Right?! :lol:
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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Michael Looker » 3 months ago

Nathan Klein wrote:
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Michael Looker wrote:
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Contrary opinions not welcome; I'm right.
I really hope you're not serious about that part because thats just kind of childish if it is serious.
I couldn't be less serious if I tried. It's a play on the last line of the OP.
Pete Vella wrote:
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Did it really take us until 24 hours before festivus to get a thread going like this?
We did have Dylan swearing at people the other day. But a proper thread like this is well overdue.

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Michael Looker » 3 months ago

Cleo Patra wrote:
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Horses like Winx, Black Caviar and Zenyatta won a heap of races and a butt tonne of money and retired sound, sane and celebrated.
Black Caviar took on the best of the best in both hemispheres and couldn't be beaten.
Winx invited all-comers to take her on in some of the richest races in the world, at all sorts of distances. Most refused, the others were vanquished.

Pepper's Pride ran in NM-bred stakes (there are what, 12 foals bred there per year?).
Zenyatta hid away on the left side of the Rockies, beating up claimers on plastic tracks. The one time her connections showed any sort of courage she was beaten by Blame. Maybe she was past her best. Maybe a couple of years earlier she would've beaten anyone who showed up. But her connections obviously didn't think so, or they would've had a go.

(My tongue is firmly in my cheek. And I absolutely respect how hard it is to keep mares sane; they're female after all.)

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Carole Hanson » 3 months ago

Zenyatta definitely beat more than claimers lol. And she won the BC Classic in ‘09 which had Grade 1 winners Gio Ponti and Game On Dude that I can think of off the top of my head. I agree she could have been campaigned a little bit more bravely but she still achieved a lot and deserves her HOF spot.

That being said, Rachel Alexandra’s ‘09 campaign was much better than any of Zenyatta’s campaigns but then again, RA’s 3yo campaign was so insanely good that I can’t see any filly or mare ever marching her for that year.

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Carole Hanson » 3 months ago

As for the training discussion, like Cleo says, if you can manage to get the most out of a good horse by not putting it in over its head, you’re doing well. But at the same time hiding and ducking with a freaky horse is always disappointing to watch from other people’s point of view, and you don’t know how much you could have achieved if you stayed in your comfort zone. For example, what if Owl Let You Know never faced off against the boys because she’s a filly and it’s harder for them? You have to take your chances with the really good ones.

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Post by Nick Gilmore » 3 months ago

Cleo Patra wrote:
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Michael, I’m not going to argue with you from a SIM viewpoint. A fake pony who takes on all the best and wins is a true champion.

However, I will argue all day long that you’re wrong about real life horses, especially mares. Horses like Winx, Black Caviar and Zenyatta won a heap of races and a butt tonne of money and retired sound, sane and celebrated. Unless you’ve actually trained a real life race mare you can’t understand how much of an achievement that is. Managing them physically and mentally to reach a targeted race is complex. They can bolt on the work rider, kick a wall and dislodge a shoe then stand on the nail, step on a stone, get cast, colic, bump a tendon playing in their box because they are half insane when fully primed to race, get kicked behind the gate by another runner etc etc ad infinitum. If I had a mare like them, I’d sit on my pile of money with my sound and happy mare and laugh at all the people calling me a coward.

My definition of a great sim trainer is one who maximises the earnings of their runners but also isn’t afraid to throw a good horse in the deep end.
Brava! Very well said!

And Michael...thank you for volunteering to be our target while we wait out the hours to Festivus.
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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Regina Moore » 3 months ago

Placing your horse where it has the best chance of winning!
I agree with this is a basic statement for both SIM and real life.

Of course, there's all sorts of ifs, ands, or buts, as others have pointed out. Including that, obviously, one wouldn't put a nice horse in a claiming race just because it would likely win.

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Michael Looker » 3 months ago

Nick Gilmore wrote:
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And Michael...thank you for volunteering to be our target while we wait out the hours to Festivus.
Anytime, Nick. Glad I could help.

Though I must say I'm disappointed I haven't gotten more of a reaction to the last line of my last post. I thought we'd be on Page 4 by now. Maybe I just got eyerolls instead of indignation, which to be fair is probably the right response.

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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Cleo Patra » 3 months ago

Michael Looker wrote:
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(My tongue is firmly in my cheek. And I absolutely respect how hard it is to keep mares sane; they're female after all.)
I’m going to be a traitor to my gender and 100% agree. That could be because every horse I have in work right now in my real life stable is a mare. One of them is a redhead. Haaalp :lol:
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Re: A Good Trainer. A Definition.

Post by Kent Saunders » 3 months ago

One of the best aspects of the game is just about everybody plays it differently. Some folks like to race alot, others prefer only racing high end horses and don't fool with claimers anymore. Some like Dirt, some Turf or AW or even mixers. I am honored to be nominated but most importantly I enjoyed playing the game this season and am already looking forwards to the next one. The game is my "Escape" from the real world and I love it!

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