Minimum Stud Fees/Foal Limits

[Nena Olson]

My general take is as follows

• A lower minimum stud fee makes sense. We should try it and see what happens.
• I would rather be shot out of a cannon and into the sun than deal with stallion fertility
• I no longer understand the massive uproar over private studs. There are literally hundreds of good studs out there that get overlooked, we all own at least one of them. DMB may have the hypos and the gallop numbers but he also had: 33% winners, 4.6% stakes winners, and average earnings of $15,899 for his first crop racing. These are good numbers but they're not so good that you're screwed if you can't breed to him. He's not miles ahead of the other first crop studs like Fancy Shoes, Bregman, Merlin etc. I may not like the fact that some of the RL stallions got turned into private studs because I would've liked the outcross, but I'm not going to go out of my way to constantly harass somebody over it. Everybody who's doing it needs to pull up their big boy panties and just go find other studs to breed to.

The uproar is that somebody suggested that all stallions be allowed to approve the mares that see them and Em mentioned about the idea could be a cash or game point drain. I think THAT particular idea is a terrible one.

[The Steward]

My general take is as follows

• A lower minimum stud fee makes sense. We should try it and see what happens.
• I would rather be shot out of a cannon and into the sun than deal with stallion fertility
• I no longer understand the massive uproar over private studs. There are literally hundreds of good studs out there that get overlooked, we all own at least one of them. DMB may have the hypos and the gallop numbers but he also had: 33% winners, 4.6% stakes winners, and average earnings of $15,899 for his first crop racing. These are good numbers but they're not so good that you're screwed if you can't breed to him. He's not miles ahead of the other first crop studs like Fancy Shoes, Bregman, Merlin etc. I may not like the fact that some of the RL stallions got turned into private studs because I would've liked the outcross, but I'm not going to go out of my way to constantly harass somebody over it. Everybody who's doing it needs to pull up their big boy panties and just go find other studs to breed to.

The uproar is that somebody suggested that all stallions be allowed to approve the mares that see them and Em mentioned about the idea could be a cash or game point drain. I think THAT particular idea is a terrible one.

See: First comment about the level of drama. It's not a real thing that's going to be implemented. But I also don't think that's the general uproar, just your uproar. The general uproar is Dave Matthews Band, followed by Carole's point that maybe we need to relook at the minimum stud fee, which I 100% agree with, but also isn't a thing happening TODAY, just sometime in the future.

[Nena Olson]

My general take is as follows

• A lower minimum stud fee makes sense. We should try it and see what happens.
• I would rather be shot out of a cannon and into the sun than deal with stallion fertility
• I no longer understand the massive uproar over private studs. There are literally hundreds of good studs out there that get overlooked, we all own at least one of them. DMB may have the hypos and the gallop numbers but he also had: 33% winners, 4.6% stakes winners, and average earnings of $15,899 for his first crop racing. These are good numbers but they're not so good that you're screwed if you can't breed to him. He's not miles ahead of the other first crop studs like Fancy Shoes, Bregman, Merlin etc. I may not like the fact that some of the RL stallions got turned into private studs because I would've liked the outcross, but I'm not going to go out of my way to constantly harass somebody over it. Everybody who's doing it needs to pull up their big boy panties and just go find other studs to breed to.

The uproar is that somebody suggested that all stallions be allowed to approve the mares that see them and Em mentioned about the idea could be a cash or game point drain. I think THAT particular idea is a terrible one.

See: First comment about the level of drama. It's not a real thing that's going to be implemented. But I also don't think that's the general uproar, just your uproar. The general uproar is Dave Matthews Band, followed by Carole's point that maybe we need to relook at the minimum stud fee, which I 100% agree with, but also isn't a thing happening TODAY, just sometime in the future.

I personally like the DMB is off the market as maybe people will pay attention to Avada who you were most excited about retiring and then DMB spoiled the party HAHA. DMB did give me a freak though so I forgive him.

[Dylan Christensen]

The uproar is that somebody suggested that all stallions be allowed to approve the mares that see them and Em mentioned about the idea could be a cash or game point drain. I think THAT particular idea is a terrible one.

See: First comment about the level of drama. It's not a real thing that's going to be implemented. But I also don't think that's the general uproar, just your uproar. The general uproar is Dave Matthews Band, followed by Carole's point that maybe we need to relook at the minimum stud fee, which I 100% agree with, but also isn't a thing happening TODAY, just sometime in the future.

I personally like the DMB is off the market as maybe people will pay attention to Avada who you were most excited about retiring and then DMB spoiled the party HAHA. DMB did give me a freak though so I forgive him.

The only good part of this whole thing

[Jack Christensen]

What if we just had a universal Stud Fee minimum for each foal amount. That way we solve the issue of people breeding 400 mares for $1, (being that is most likely implausible anyway). It also might help shave off some crappy stallions that should not be at stud. Like 2.5k minimum for 120 foals, 7.5k minimum for 150 foals, and so forth. But if the minimums get too high we end up with studs like Thanos that don't get the mares they deserve because the minimum is too high. I would probably send mares to Thanos if he wasn't as expensive as he is, and I'm a lot of people would too. Also, even if we did away with stud fee minimums altogether, I don't think we'd have much of a problem. Most people with a good stud aren't going to sacrifice the decent amount of money they make from stud fees to mess around and set a fee of $1. Letting common sense govern stud fees in the SIM isn't going to ruin the game, in fact, it might even improve it. That is just my two cents.

[Danny Derby]

Just pointing out that Thanos had a freak galloper from today's TBS auction. Standing for only $23.6K with a freaking ultra hot pedigree, with spots open and available for your mares RIGHT NOW.

[Ali Hedgestone]

What if we just had a universal Stud Fee minimum for each foal amount. That way we solve the issue of people breeding 400 mares for $1, (being that is most likely implausible anyway). It also might help shave off some crappy stallions that should not be at stud. Like 2.5k minimum for 120 foals, 7.5k minimum for 150 foals, and so forth. But if the minimums get too high we end up with studs like Thanos that don't get the mares they deserve because the minimum is too high. I would probably send mares to Thanos if he wasn't as expensive as he is, and I'm a lot of people would too. Also, even if we did away with stud fee minimums altogether, I don't think we'd have much of a problem. Most people with a good stud aren't going to sacrifice the decent amount of money they make from stud fees to mess around and set a fee of $1. Letting common sense govern stud fees in the SIM isn't going to ruin the game, in fact, it might even improve it. That is just my two cents.

The average stud fee of all DR stallions with freak galloping foals is $33,860.
The median stud fee of all DR stallions with freak galloping foals is $30,000

Any DR stallion with freak gallopers priced under $30k is a steal.

[Art K Stables]

I just think the issue is simply that stallion earnings is tied to the stud fee when the studs ability at stud just is not, so the monsters on the track get the short end as they turn out duds, foal limits really does fix it, makes the minimum fee moot to me so that would enable that 5 million winner claimer machine at least get a foal or 2

[Ronnie Dee]

The median stud fee of all DR stallions with freak galloping foals is $30,000

Any DR stallion with freak gallopers priced under $30k is a steal.

The median stud fee of all AWR stallions with freak galloping foals is $20,000.

Any AWR stallion with freak gallopers priced under $20K is a steal.

[Jon Xett]

"To change the world, It starts with one step, However small. If you give, you begin to live. You get the world." => Dave Matthews_musician

"Okay that's enough attention, can't you see I'm tired? I'm fed, I'm clean, please stop or I'll have to bite you. I'm starting to get annoyed, and you don't want to be kicked!" => 3 consecutive Pay Attention comments from Dave Matthews Band _ The fake SIMHorseRacing.com horse.










"I think I'll just hide in my stall today." => jX => 'Expert Player' status (Player since: 6/3/1999) _ First Win for Jon Xett! Y3-W1-D1

[Gwen Morse]

The sim now tracks median foal income.

The least disruptive change would be to start out by setting sire fees based on their own race income for the first few years, then provide the owners with an option to lower it a little bit below their median foal income.

That way stallion owners whose studs aren't freak machines can appeal to the players who want to breed profitable foals, and no one is stepping on anyone else's toes.

[Ali Hedgestone]

"To change the world, It starts with one step, However small. If you give, you begin to live. You get the world." => Dave Matthews_musician

"Okay that's enough attention, can't you see I'm tired? I'm fed, I'm clean, please stop or I'll have to bite you. I'm starting to get annoyed, and you don't want to be kicked!" => 3 consecutive Pay Attention comments from Dave Matthews Band _ The fake SIMHorseRacing.com horse.










"I think I'll just hide in my stall today." => jX => 'Expert Player' status (Player since: 6/3/1999) _ First Win for Jon Xett! Y3-W1-D1

What happens when you feed Jon a mint?

[Carole Hanson]

Even The Steward admitted her frustration and annoyance at private studs so if she can make $1 studs against the rules because, let’s face it it’s annoying and very unhelpful, then she could make private studs against the rules too.

I wasn’t particularly referring to any stud, just going off of Emily’s point about private studs in general.

As for the minimum fee, if indeed we can change it somehow to be within the rules, then I like the idea of a $5k minimum, but certainly not for all studs out there. Perhaps one could argue that a stud standing under $5k isn’t worth standing, but it seems even those studs have their use so it would be unfair to make them stand for at least $5k when their minimum right now is potentially lower.

For now, perhaps whilst we figure out a better solution, can we maybe have the % lowered from 0.5% of earnings to 0.25%? For example, in the case of my stud, his lowest possible fee would be $12,275. For Danny’s stud that would be $11,801 which I’m sure Danny could easily work with. Even for studs who earn something like 8 million, the lowest fee would be $20,000 which is not that bad, still not ideal in some cases but not bad.

Idk, just some ideas.

[Tammy Stawicki]

Speaking of average and mdedian stud fees for freak producing stallions

The average/median for a paint stallion that has produced a freak galloper is $19,168/$17,500
The average/median crossbreed stud fee for a quarter horse stallion that has produced a freak galloper is $28,259/25,000

Of the 17 quarter horses available for crossbreeding with a freak crossbreed stud only 7 have a lower stud fee for crossbreeding and of those 7 in 5 cases that decrease is only $5,000. By having one limit for both within breed and crossbreed their is no incentive for the owner of a crossbreed enabled stallion to have a competitive stud fee for crossbreeding if they think they can fill their limit within breed. A separate limit for within breed and crossbred though would enable both stud fees to be priced competitively for their market.

So my uproar could care less about Dave Matthews Band (I've always been more of a Muse fan) but as mixers have been the hardest hit by limits would love to see the crossbreed issue addressed.

[Andrew Chillin]

I think I should be able to sell my hot slots for whatever I want to be. Could be like dollar Tuesdays up in here. One dollar hollar year 56 cause fucit. I’m all for SIMHorseRacing likes it’s Burger King. Have it your way. If I want to breed 5000 horses to my studs, with my main man, and no body else that’s what’s cool. If I want to have dollar bills thrown at me like my name is Mercedes at the A.B.C.s, up on stage no pasties. I should be allowed to do what Andrew Davidson wants to do. Just got to keep on livin man. L-I-V-I-N