Splitting Races

[Laura Ferguson]

Could a different solution be to not allow races with a purse of more than $25,000 to split? That way, maiden races could still split, with no difference in purse to either half of the split, but the $58,000 allowance race doesn't.

That may just create a different problem, but trying to think around the problem of everyone moving from the smaller purse division to the bigger purse division. I'm not sure that the $20k cap is enough of a deterrent for the current situation as it is described in this thread - so instead of gaming to the tune of $2 million, it is what, $500k-$750k. Still not chump change.

[Kent Saunders]

Anybody want to confess?

[Louise Bayou]

Yea I'm not a fan. I don't know what the issues were but I think it sucks to have a lower purse!

[Andrew James]

That may just create a different problem, but trying to think around the problem of everyone moving from the smaller purse division to the bigger purse division. I'm not sure that the $20k cap is enough of a deterrent for the current situation as it is described in this thread - so instead of gaming to the tune of $2 million, it is what, $500k-$750k. Still not chump change.

had this thought too

[Danny Derby]

Another option that would require zero changes to gameplay mechanics would be to make an actual rule about it and then penalize people who break such a rule.

[Laura Ferguson]

Anybody want to confess?

It's searchable. It had to be thoroughbred flat races, because mixer/chaser allowances don't have rich purses. It took me less than five minutes to find a pretty glaring example (an allowance with a $58,000 purse that had 17 divisions, most of them 3-4 horses each, with several of the same players participating in many of those divisions).

Laura

[Rochelle Bos]

Maybe high purse allowances shouldn’t be allowed to be split?

[Lily Wilkins]

Anybody want to confess?

It's searchable. It had to be thoroughbred flat races, because mixer/chaser allowances don't have rich purses. It took me less than five minutes to find a pretty glaring example (an allowance with a $58,000 purse that had 17 divisions, most of them 3-4 horses each, with several of the same players participating in many of those divisions).

Laura

Yeah... I just found a Turf route Allowance in Tokyo that was split into 34(!) races, all generally with 5 or fewer horses in them, and a similar pattern of players entered. How does someone even have the time to even do all that? Lordy.

[Tim Matthews]

Anybody want to confess?

It's searchable. It had to be thoroughbred flat races, because mixer/chaser allowances don't have rich purses. It took me less than five minutes to find a pretty glaring example (an allowance with a $58,000 purse that had 17 divisions, most of them 3-4 horses each, with several of the same players participating in many of those divisions).

Laura

Yeah... I just found a Turf route Allowance in Tokyo that was split into 34(!) races, all generally with 5 or fewer horses in them, and a similar pattern of players entered. How does someone even have the time to even do all that? Lordy.

Yeah, I can't find 70+ splits, and the purses don't add up to 2-3 million. And that's split between what looks like a bunch of people. And after acquiring and shipping all those horses, plus the sheer amount of time to split the races, I would imagine it's not worth it. Hypothetically. I'd chalk it up to quarantine brain and move on.

It's good that this is getting fixed. I think the easiest thing to do is limit different types of races to a certain number of splits.

[Brad Fabman]

This

""Another option that would require zero changes to gameplay mechanics would be to make an actual rule about it and then penalize people who break such a rule.""

and this

""Maybe high purse allowances shouldn’t be allowed to be split?""

The high purse allowance has a higher purse than regular stakes races. $58,000 vs $50,000. Why have them? They should have the same entry rules as stakes races do. By points and they don't split. Problem solved.

[Dylan Christensen]

Anybody want to confess?

It's searchable. It had to be thoroughbred flat races, because mixer/chaser allowances don't have rich purses. It took me less than five minutes to find a pretty glaring example (an allowance with a $58,000 purse that had 17 divisions, most of them 3-4 horses each, with several of the same players participating in many of those divisions).

Laura

Yeah... I just found a Turf route Allowance in Tokyo that was split into 34(!) races, all generally with 5 or fewer horses in them, and a similar pattern of players entered. How does someone even have the time to even do all that? Lordy.

Buncha low life’s I’ll betcha

[Dave Trainer]

Could a different solution be to not allow races with a purse of more than $25,000 to split? That way, maiden races could still split, with no difference in purse to either half of the split, but the $58,000 allowance race doesn't.

I think this is a much better solution.

I also agree with Danny's option. Make it against the rules.

Whichever is the easiest for you to implement and maintain.

[Kris Bobby]

Between the examples provided by Laura and Lily, the added purse money seems to be over $2.2 million. There may be more, so it seems to be an issue that needs to be corrected by the powers in charge. I trust that they will feel the situation out and come up with a proper solution as they have so many times in the past.

[Laura Ferguson]

It's searchable. It had to be thoroughbred flat races, because mixer/chaser allowances don't have rich purses. It took me less than five minutes to find a pretty glaring example (an allowance with a $58,000 purse that had 17 divisions, most of them 3-4 horses each, with several of the same players participating in many of those divisions).

Laura

Yeah... I just found a Turf route Allowance in Tokyo that was split into 34(!) races, all generally with 5 or fewer horses in them, and a similar pattern of players entered. How does someone even have the time to even do all that? Lordy.

Yeah, I can't find 70+ splits, and the purses don't add up to 2-3 million. And that's split between what looks like a bunch of people. And after acquiring and shipping all those horses, plus the sheer amount of time to split the races, I would imagine it's not worth it. Hypothetically. I'd chalk it up to quarantine brain and move on.

It's good that this is getting fixed. I think the easiest thing to do is limit different types of races to a certain number of splits.

Here's 61 (33 of the male division, 28 of the female), of a $40k purse. That's $2,440,000 in purse money, of which $2,280,000 is additional, figuring that each race normally only splits once, if that (so four normal races, 64 bonus races).

https://www.simhorseracing.com/races.ph ... wEntries=1

In my other example, 17 divisions of a $58k purses is $986,000 in purse money, of which $870,000 is bonus money, again assuming that the race is split only once.

It may not have been against the rules, but it sure doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth, and I think a number of people are feeling punished for a problem they didn't create.

I don't know how you program a race to know that it is a split race and not to split again, which is why I suggested not splitting races over a certain purse amount. That still isn't a great solution, but perhaps a more practical one.

[Andrew Chillin]