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I've had horses improve several times from yearling to older horse, my best example being, my turf router mare.
Foretold

Year 52: Yearling gallop: CLAIMER (No info in gallops back then for peaking performance)
Year 53: Pre-season: STAKES
Year 55: Galloped during a long rest between races: FREAK (Near peak)

Because she did improve from Claimer to Stakes, her first race was a stakes, she won with an 87 SF.
She finished 4th in her next effort, a stakes race. :P

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I now have this filly in my barn - she's also a turf router. My question about improving will follow below.

Rihanna

Year 55: As a yearling, galloped: PRODUCTIVE (late bloomer)
Year 56: Week 9 - she improved: ALLOWANCE (Near Peak)

Year 56: Week 11 - Her first race, A maiden, full field of 12 -- she wins by 1 3/4th lengths with a 95 Speed Figure. AND... She didn't have the right equipment either, she only had a shadow roll on, based upon her works. I bought an equipment hint after the race and found out she needs blinker + a non-vet piece. So next time out, I'm going to try her out with Blinkers + Shadow Roll.

I don't recall ever having a 2 year old turf router Allowance run a 95 speed figure....

So my question: Is it possible for a horse to improve twice in just a few weeks?

I understand that a horse can improve after it's first race, and I've had horses do that.
But I don't recall any that improved after it's first race when it just improved 2 weeks prior to that race.
I also don't recall ever having an allowance 2 year old hit a 95 speed figure in a turf route race, plus she finished almost 2 lengths ahead of the rest.

So, has anyone had a horse improve like that?

I want to re-gallop Rihanna so bad...lol...but need to wait until she recovers from that race to find out if he did jump up again, or if I just ended up with a weird speed figure for an allowance type filly. :P

As per my example with Foretold... I've seen horse jump up more than once - but haven't seen one do it within a few weeks...if indeed that is what has happened. :P

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Wow, congratulations! :shock:

I heard the Steward mention the first out improvement is a completely different thing from the "scheduled" improvement. So I guess if they are not related it would be very possible to have a scheluled improve one week and a first time out improve the next. I obviously have no experience myself though. Waiting for it to happen. ;)
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I personally have never broken a horse by galloping it immediaetl;y after a race. Of course, its risky tho, but ive done it often. i just give them a longer rest. But I ALSO have a sucky win %. (;
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Not a turf horse, but my guy was similar in that he improved twice in just over 2 weeks:

Y56-W7-D1 Trainer: 'Faded Memory' really wowed me out there! This is at least an allowance horse with some stakes potential. This horse should progress throughout their career, but don’t wait too long to get them to the races! By the way, have you ever put a shadow roll on Faded Memory? That might help with focus on what's ahead, rather than shadows below.
Y56-W9-D1 Trainer: 'Faded Memory' sure moves like a very nice horse! This horse looks to be about at their peak, but even I can’t always predict the future!

Y56-W11-D1: broke his maiden with a 96.

Hasn't been regalloped yet so I'm not sure what level he's at now.
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Pepper Carol wrote: 3 years ago I personally have never broken a horse by galloping it immediaetl;y after a race. Of course, its risky tho, but ive done it often. i just give them a longer rest. But I ALSO have a sucky win %. (;
I was/am still tempted...but Rihanna is a 'Somewhat Unsound' type horse - she ran on Monday, and today's Thursday.
If she ends up a stakes or a freak, and I broke her due to being impatient...
I would have to ask Em to make up some kind of trophy for Dumb-butt of the year...and make me first nominee for it. :P

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Mara Jade Vess wrote: 3 years ago Not a turf horse, but my guy was similar in that he improved twice in just over 2 weeks:

Y56-W7-D1 Trainer: 'Faded Memory' really wowed me out there! This is at least an allowance horse with some stakes potential. This horse should progress throughout their career, but don’t wait too long to get them to the races! By the way, have you ever put a shadow roll on Faded Memory? That might help with focus on what's ahead, rather than shadows below.
Y56-W9-D1 Trainer: 'Faded Memory' sure moves like a very nice horse! This horse looks to be about at their peak, but even I can’t always predict the future!

Y56-W11-D1: broke his maiden with a 96.

Hasn't been regalloped yet so I'm not sure what level he's at now.
I think he improved with his first race...given the speed figure...
But I think that an allowance level horse...one being called 'a wow' (really wowed me out there) or a 'very nice horse' is the same thing.
A jump up to a stakes...the gallop would have a comment like "Very Special" or it would just say the horse is a stakes type.

From my notes....which are quite old, but I think still accurate:
Gallop Notes/comments:
Freak = Freak
Stakes = Very Special/Stakes
Allowance = Wow/Very Nice
Productive = Great/Easy
Solid = Okay/Solid
Claimer = Claimer
Different Career = stiff and awkward/not impress

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Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
Mara Jade Vess wrote: 3 years ago Not a turf horse, but my guy was similar in that he improved twice in just over 2 weeks:

Y56-W7-D1 Trainer: 'Faded Memory' really wowed me out there! This is at least an allowance horse with some stakes potential. This horse should progress throughout their career, but don’t wait too long to get them to the races! By the way, have you ever put a shadow roll on Faded Memory? That might help with focus on what's ahead, rather than shadows below.
Y56-W9-D1 Trainer: 'Faded Memory' sure moves like a very nice horse! This horse looks to be about at their peak, but even I can’t always predict the future!

Y56-W11-D1: broke his maiden with a 96.

Hasn't been regalloped yet so I'm not sure what level he's at now.
I think he improved with his first race...given the speed figure...
But I think that an allowance level horse...one being called 'a wow' (really wowed me out there) or a 'very nice horse' is the same thing.
Yes, he improved first start. He also went from allowance/progressive to allowance/peak, so not a huge improve but an improve nonetheless, so he did technically have two improves within three weeks even though he stayed within his gallop comment. I wasn't expecting a big jump as he wasn't a late bloomer and he seemed to be on the lower end of allowance judging by his works.
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Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
I now have this filly in my barn - she's also a turf router. My question about improving will follow below.

Rihanna

Year 55: As a yearling, galloped: PRODUCTIVE (late bloomer)
Year 56: Week 9 - she improved: ALLOWANCE (Near Peak)

what is "Near Peak" ?

From my understanding there are only (4) criteria a horse can be:
1. Unknown
2. Progressive
3. Late Bloomer
4. Peak
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Pete Vella wrote: 3 years ago
Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
I now have this filly in my barn - she's also a turf router. My question about improving will follow below.

Rihanna

Year 55: As a yearling, galloped: PRODUCTIVE (late bloomer)
Year 56: Week 9 - she improved: ALLOWANCE (Near Peak)

what is "Near Peak" ?

From my understanding there are only (4) criteria a horse can be:
1. Unknown
2. Progressive
3. Late Bloomer
4. Peak
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Pete Vella wrote: 3 years ago
Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
I now have this filly in my barn - she's also a turf router. My question about improving will follow below.

Rihanna

Year 55: As a yearling, galloped: PRODUCTIVE (late bloomer)
Year 56: Week 9 - she improved: ALLOWANCE (Near Peak)

what is "Near Peak" ?

From my understanding there are only (4) criteria a horse can be:
1. Unknown
2. Progressive
3. Late Bloomer
4. Peak
In gallop comments - this comment:
looks to be about at their peak
That's not the same as this horseis at its peak

I had to go look up a gallop comment to see what it actually said. ... sorry for the edits.

that word 'about' makes it sound like the horse is near it's peak. I don't gallop older horses that much so I never really looked into if there was another comment saying 'at it's peak' or 'past it's peak'.

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Peak is peak stormy peak
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Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
Pete Vella wrote: 3 years ago
Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
I now have this filly in my barn - she's also a turf router. My question about improving will follow below.

Rihanna

Year 55: As a yearling, galloped: PRODUCTIVE (late bloomer)
Year 56: Week 9 - she improved: ALLOWANCE (Near Peak)

what is "Near Peak" ?

From my understanding there are only (4) criteria a horse can be:
1. Unknown
2. Progressive
3. Late Bloomer
4. Peak
In gallop comments - this comment:
looks to be about at their peak
That's not the same as this horseis at its peak

I had to go look up a gallop comment to see what it actually said. ... sorry for the edits.

that word 'about' makes it sound like the horse is near it's peak. I don't gallop older horses that much so I never really looked into if there was another comment saying 'at it's peak' or 'past it's peak'.

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if you look on your racing barn page it has a section called "improve" and it will show you the last known comment associated with peakness that was recorded for that horse.
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Pete Vella wrote: 3 years ago ......if you look on your racing barn page it has a section called "improve" and it will show you the last known comment associated with peakness that was recorded for that horse.
That particular column isn't listed on my barn's page.
It shows as being check-marked, though, when I click on the columns button. I rarely mess around with the columns buttons, so when that feature showed up in the Sim, I never bothered to look to see if it was a column that could be used. I suppose I will have to uncheck another column or two, to make it fit with the rest of the columns.

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Stormy Peak wrote: 3 years ago
Pete Vella wrote: 3 years ago ......if you look on your racing barn page it has a section called "improve" and it will show you the last known comment associated with peakness that was recorded for that horse.
That particular column isn't listed on my barn's page.
It shows as being check-marked, though, when I click on the columns button. I rarely mess around with the columns buttons, so when that feature showed up in the Sim, I never bothered to look to see if it was a column that could be used. I suppose I will have to uncheck another column or two, to make it fit with the rest of the columns.

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Yes, Danny, I am aware that it's on the horses pages - I look at the pages....sometimes 50 of them a day. The columns were a different story, they can be changed about and I've never gone in and done that, so I don't see that column on my lists.

But as I said before, in reading the comment about a horse peaking. It says 'about at it's peak'.... which is not the same as 'at it's peak'

On the horse's page I was seeing the word peak as an indication that it was in that degree from 'ABOUT to peak...to at Peak, to Peaked' and a person needed to read the exact comment in the history to check and see where it was at. Again...I rarely gallop older horses so I didn't know if there were other comments.

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