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Danny Derby
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While I won't argue for a second that most of these reductions are necessary, seeing the Arc and SC Classic being reduced just hurts. These are the two premiere races in the world and should clearly stand above the rest. Hope you reconsider and keep those two where they were.
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Agreed!
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Maybe it's because I don't run routers but as a mixer trainer seeing stallion prospects struggling to hit the $350k cutoff potentially inpart due to the removal of the small subset of $65,000 stakes available to mixers I'm having a hard time feeling sympathy for races cut to a purse of "only" 5 million.
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Money is about to mean nothing in this game with the steward breds being taking away so really purses can be $100 and it will not matter everything else will adjust like stud fees and I personally think DR and TR race for way too much money compared to other divisions . Yes I know purses are meant to reflect real life but this is a game you have average dr make 3 mill and yet that would be an amazing miler or ds etc
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Where do we read about the purse reductions?
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Nowhere, you can search those races up and they show a purse decrease. For example, the Arc was at $6 million in recent years and is now at $5 million. The Melbourne Trophy went from $3 million to $1.5 million.
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Check the stakes schedule for Year 57
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Xander Zone wrote: 3 years ago Money is about to mean nothing in this game with the steward breds being taking away so really purses can be $100 and it will not matter everything else will adjust like stud fees and I personally think DR and TR race for way too much money compared to other divisions . Yes I know purses are meant to reflect real life but this is a game you have average dr make 3 mill and yet that would be an amazing miler or ds etc
The overall possible purse earnings is comparable with each division. That includes the crazy purses of the big router races.
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Wow...the Melbourne Trophy sure took a huge hit.

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Andrew Davidson wrote: 3 years ago
Xander Zone wrote: 3 years ago Money is about to mean nothing in this game with the steward breds being taking away so really purses can be $100 and it will not matter everything else will adjust like stud fees and I personally think DR and TR race for way too much money compared to other divisions . Yes I know purses are meant to reflect real life but this is a game you have average dr make 3 mill and yet that would be an amazing miler or ds etc
The overall possible purse earnings is comparable with each division. That includes the crazy purses of the big router races.
Andrew, did you do the numbers on this? I'm interested to see how the divisions pan out. My guess is that means there are tons more low level/claimer races for divisions like dirt mile and dirt sprint than dirt route, although I wonder how much that is affected by 2 year old races where they can start earlier than routers. And I'm curious about how All Weather compares.

However, it does bring up a question around the big router races. If to be able to make comparable winnings in other divisions means you have to run a ton more horses, since to get to 'comparable overall purses' you need to be mopping up a bundle of low level races, what is the associated cost against purse opportunity at the stable level? And, to look at it another way, is the potential purse earning per horse comparable across divisions? My guess is it isn't, although I don't know if I care or not (yet). That said, if you have a cup-quality 3yo colt that's a dirt sprinter, in week 16 you have one shot at a $3,000,000 purse ($2,000,000 if you run a miler and even less if you are on AW). If you have a cup quality dirt router 3yo colt, there's a max purse of $5,000,000.

My only real frustration with purse changes has been the gap between maiden and stakes races. If you have a decent maiden, you run for $25,000. Once your horse breaks its maiden, you can hope it's stakes quality and chase those $50,000 listed purses, or you drop back to NW races at $10-15,000. It's frustrating that the bulk of those so hard to win NW races are worth about half the maiden races. If I have horses that are decent but not stakes quality, it's better to retire them after they break their maiden than keep slogging away trying to get on the board in stacked NW races for small money.
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Image credit Mara Jane Vess

These numbers are averages of all races for the sim year. They don’t reflect the Stakes purses or earnings potential for just one horse.

Numbers do not include sponsored stakes
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Props to Marandrew on the awesome research!
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But if for example there are only 2 G1's in A/W but 20 in DR the averages don't mean a lot. What are the actual totals of purses available in each division?
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Courtesy of the same sheet

If you simply add up the number of races and multiply by the averages it comes out to these numbers, approximate to actual total. It's like work, but not a big deal.

If you look with you eyes, it's like "woah! look at the differences!"
If you read in to it, averages matter. You want more volume.
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Andrew Davidson wrote: 3 years ago You want more volume.
Try turning it to 11.
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