Game Point Money Drain Ideas

[Nena Olson]

My suggestion was to improve the create a mare mares so that they actually give you decent mares instead of 95% no potential or maybe potential ones.

I personally would love to add some fresh AW miler blood into my barn as all my mares are from certain lines lol

CAM and CAH are long overdue for an overhaul that actually makes them useful.

I agree and it would add fresh blood into the game. If I found I needed a new mare or two of a certain line, I'd be happy to pay GP for them instead of having to find a sire that isn't closed or hasn't been used a lot already. I'd rather have some decent mares that I can send to GP studs or something.

[The Steward]

I've been leaning more towards doing away with that whole thing than fixing it; people don't like when you can just create a decent horse out of thin air.

[Nena Olson]

CAM doesnt have to create the next Maryland Millions or Corona lol but it could create at least formidable/star mares with the rare blue hen lol right now it creates no potential that creates different careers/claimers lol

[Gwayne's World]

Game points for equipment checks?

It costs 500 GPs to check equipment for a horse.

Stormy

Second piece, dream on, right?

[Tammy Stawicki]

I've been leaning more towards doing away with that whole thing than fixing it; people don't like when you can just create a decent horse out of thin air.

I'd be curious to see a poll on this. Magically created stallions have obviously caused A LOT of angst, but stallions can produce 100s of horses a year. A mare or racehorse just isn't going to have the same impact and I don't remember these being that controversial back when they were nicer. I think something like Nena suggested where there was a range of ability with the majority usable but not superstars wouldn't be that controversial but maybe I'm giving us all too much credit.

[Mr. Lord Rich]

Get rid of weekly stud adds in the edge.
Instead have these created as a GP or Sim Cash purchasable item in which the steward would do a stud preview on the forum.

[Mr. Lord Rich]

Touching on the CAM upgrade, can do this, but limit it's use to once a season and put a limit on them like stewardbreds where once your CAM slot is used you have to pay money to add a second slot. Also make it so you can choose the surface and distance preference of the mare versus just random like it appears to be now. Could be wrong on this last part.

[Nena Olson]

Touching on the CAM upgrade, can do this, but limit it's use to once a season and put a limit on them like stewardbreds where once your CAM slot is used you have to pay money to add a second slot. Also make it so you can choose the surface and distance preference of the mare versus just random like it appears to be now. Could be wrong on this last part.

Definitely needs to be more than once per season or there is no point. Keep it as it is now, just make it so that it is relevant so people actually spend game points on them lol nobody wants to spend $5 on a no potential mare. Up the price to 15,000GP and make them better mares (formidable, star with small chance of blue hen). Mares only give you one foal so I would far rather have somebody create 5 mares for 5 foals instead of getting a private flat A hypo stallion that gives them 120 foals. The stallions that are in the CAM are just like the game point studs, create multi-surface or distance mares. They wont create the next Lightning, Titanic, Maryland Million, etc. but they should at least be something you want to use to add fresh blood into your current stock.

[Gigi Gofaster]

So, I was pretty new when I paid attention to CAH/CAM, but here are some successful horses in observations from what I remember in the context of this conversation.

- Over and Up was a chaser sire that I think was only available in CAH, so not directly in the breeding stock. He was good enough to be worth a shot to get a fun (and occasionally pretty good) chaser. So, he really didn't throw breeding into disarray. Sure he produced some blue hen chaser mares, but he was more an option to get a fun runner. This I think could be resurrected in some divisions. I mean, I probably wouldn't pay GPS to get a likely mediocre and at best allowance LB type in TB dirt route divisions, but I would probably take a shot in something like AW milers or Arabians where there are plenty of chances for a fair to middling horse to make some money, and decent one to get on the board in stakes. And of course, dangle the rare shot at something pretty speedy, and I'm definitely in. Oh and Over and Up also produced some hidden gems in broodmares in I think miler/route divisions, so that could be fun too, but by no means the main lure. Synthetic Speed was a similar (even better) CAH sire in AWS with a hidden chasing perk - produced several great racers and some nice broodmares but hardly stirred up the home bred market; something like that could be tons of fun.
- I think there was a Rubiano/Dr * dirt sprint CAM cross - or something similar - that had a pretty good chance of making blue hens. Now, these hens could get you good runners, but they aren't going to have the back pedigree to produce really top class breeding stock. Still, they were a great way for newer players to get some hens and breed fun racers, and again not throw a spanner in the works of the industry. That cross may still be 'live' but I confess I haven't paid attention to CAMs for a while. If I thought I could get some fun outcross broodies in some of the divisions more saturated with a few good stallions, I would dabble in this more. Again though, most likely in the smaller divisions. Honestly, there may be gem crosses lurking in the CAM roster but I don't know. I think somebody did a CAM 'map' of divisions once too; that would be really helpful. Would save clicking through every CAM sire/dam sire's stud book pages to figure out what horses to use for a given division. Or maybe add them to the stud book.

So I think there could be an attractive overhaul of CAHs/CAMs that would make them worth some GPs, but wouldn't create troubles in the divisions by undermining home bred horses. Probably wouldn't be a huge GP draw, but maybe fewer choices and more fair to middling (and occasionally pretty good) runners/broodies and less 3K and 5K junk would certainly attract some of my GPs.

[Ronnie Dee]

I am assuming that the current hypomates for 250 Game Points each are based on some calculated numerical score that is then put into a grade category. This proposed change would simply transpose the calculated numerical score to a numerical value on a "grade scale" -- that is, this would be extremely easy to program.

For example, instead of a grade of A with the current hypomates, Hypomate II would give you a "more precise" numerical value between 93 and 97. Of course, Hypomate II would cost more (possibly 500 Game Points). Below I copied some hypmate grades from one of my pensioned mares and displayed the corresponding* Hypomate II values.

Hypomate I (current)
Stallion Flat Steeplechaser
Blue Bayou A C
Calidoscopio A- C
Household Name A C
Vanquish A C
White Fang A C

Hypomate II (proposed)
Stallion Flat Steeplechaser
Blue Bayou 96 75
Calidoscopio 91 76
Household Name 94 74
Vanquish 95 75
White Fang 95 76

* I made up some values for exemplary purposes.

[Tom Lin]

Allow sponsored tracks to race twice a week (2x the races for a value price).
Allow stallions or mares to be unretired (once). Maybe a stallion hypos badly and a return to racing makes sense. Fitness could be reset to zero.

[Ren Marston]

Magical ungelding for like 3000 game points?

[Lily Miles March]

Conformation shots on bloodstock pages under the headshot (mares too?)

[Rochelle Bos]

Conformation shots on bloodstock pages under the headshot (mares too?)

YES PLEASE!

[Art K Stables]

So, I was pretty new when I paid attention to CAH/CAM, but here are some successful horses in observations from what I remember in the context of this conversation.

- Over and Up was a chaser sire that I think was only available in CAH, so not directly in the breeding stock. He was good enough to be worth a shot to get a fun (and occasionally pretty good) chaser. So, he really didn't throw breeding into disarray. Sure he produced some blue hen chaser mares, but he was more an option to get a fun runner. This I think could be resurrected in some divisions. I mean, I probably wouldn't pay GPS to get a likely mediocre and at best allowance LB type in TB dirt route divisions, but I would probably take a shot in something like AW milers or Arabians where there are plenty of chances for a fair to middling horse to make some money, and decent one to get on the board in stakes. And of course, dangle the rare shot at something pretty speedy, and I'm definitely in. Oh and Over and Up also produced some hidden gems in broodmares in I think miler/route divisions, so that could be fun too, but by no means the main lure. Synthetic Speed was a similar (even better) CAH sire in AWS with a hidden chasing perk - produced several great racers and some nice broodmares but hardly stirred up the home bred market; something like that could be tons of fun.
- I think there was a Rubiano/Dr * dirt sprint CAM cross - or something similar - that had a pretty good chance of making blue hens. Now, these hens could get you good runners, but they aren't going to have the back pedigree to produce really top class breeding stock. Still, they were a great way for newer players to get some hens and breed fun racers, and again not throw a spanner in the works of the industry. That cross may still be 'live' but I confess I haven't paid attention to CAMs for a while. If I thought I could get some fun outcross broodies in some of the divisions more saturated with a few good stallions, I would dabble in this more. Again though, most likely in the smaller divisions. Honestly, there may be gem crosses lurking in the CAM roster but I don't know. I think somebody did a CAM 'map' of divisions once too; that would be really helpful. Would save clicking through every CAM sire/dam sire's stud book pages to figure out what horses to use for a given division. Or maybe add them to the stud book.

So I think there could be an attractive overhaul of CAHs/CAMs that would make them worth some GPs, but wouldn't create troubles in the divisions by undermining home bred horses. Probably wouldn't be a huge GP draw, but maybe fewer choices and more fair to middling (and occasionally pretty good) runners/broodies and less 3K and 5K junk would certainly attract some of my GPs.

https://www.simhorseracing.com/horse.ph ... ID=1266934

Youll see this was the exception to the rule, Annie Freeze is the CAM after first set of runners not much