First Race Improvers?

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Re: First Race Improvers?

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Carolyn Eaton wrote: 1 year ago I've probably had the opposite be true more often - "allowance" running horse will put up an eye-popping initial speed figure breaking its maiden, then never come close again (Christmas Mourning: https://www.simhorseracing.com/horse.ph ... ID=1262895 )
Hehe! First race decliners. (I have had those too).
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Based on her gallop ratings, nothing exciting happened, but this filly definitely warmed up after her first race, and then also crashed hard later:
https://www.simhorseracing.com/horse.ph ... ID=1251265

6th, 3 wins in a row, a 2nd, and then was like "I'm done". I did stick her in a boy's race by accident, which probably didn't help her confidence.
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I probably have one of the best second race improvers of all time....Guinea Saurus Rex. Finished 7th in his MSW debut with a 53 speed figure. Next out won with an 81 speed figure. Went on to win over $2 million (at a time when that was a pretty big amount for a turf miler) including 2 Steward's Cup runner up performances. But the fact that I'm talking about a horse from year 36 should give you a feel for how common its been in my experience.

I breed between 40-50 horses/year and race them all. I can't think of any instances where I've had a solid/claimer galloper go on to be a stakes winner, much less in their second start show that type of talent. I definitely see horses improve with time fairly often but it usually takes a bit and its usually a one level improvement, so ok stakes horses can all of a sudden become super stars, allowance type horses start winning stakes, claimers move up to allowances, etc. I do sometimes see horses improve noticeably start 2 but I feel its most commonly a horse that seemed to underperform to their gallop in their first start. I did have one productive galloper I can think of become a stakes winner, Seven (coincidentally by Guinea Saurus Rex) but he actually ran quiet well first out and continued galloping productive while winning stakes and then with age started actually running like a productive galloper.

So based on my experiences I definitely think there is an argument to race all your horses, you can often earn more money in claimers than you can selling a subpar galloper and certainly lots of horses will show some level of improvement with time, but if you are racing all your horses expecting your claimers to one day become super stars you will be disappointed more often than not.

Diclaimer to all this, I don't race any routers which I get a feeling from things the steward has said in the past is where there is the most potential for improvement as they are not meant to be precocious horses.
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So I spot checked about fifty horses tonight making their second start. I found three who improved - one was so unfit it ran 9th so you can’t tell, one was second, and one won. All three jumped 1-2 levels.
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The Steward wrote: 1 year ago
Carole Hanson wrote: 1 year ago
The Steward wrote: 1 year ago There are definitely more 2nd race jumpers than 1st race jumpers, but they do both exist.
Do you have any examples? Because I’ve literally never seen one, but I have seen lots of first start ones and even had some of those myself.
I'll have to use my brain, hopefully some others step in here. But there have definitely been some good ones, I used to write about them in the Edge all the time. I would say something like "Ran sixth first out, but that's okay, because then...."
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Nick Gilmore wrote: 1 year ago
The Steward wrote: 1 year ago
Carole Hanson wrote: 1 year ago

Do you have any examples? Because I’ve literally never seen one, but I have seen lots of first start ones and even had some of those myself.
I'll have to use my brain, hopefully some others step in here. But there have definitely been some good ones, I used to write about them in the Edge all the time. I would say something like "Ran sixth first out, but that's okay, because then...."
Ah, the Edge…I really miss that…mmm…
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Sara Julin wrote: 1 year ago Me too...
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Nick Gilmore wrote: 1 year ago
Ah, the Edge…I really miss that…mmm…
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Bring back "The Edge" woot woot
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Y'all are really free with my time.
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The Steward wrote: 1 year ago Y'all are really free with my time.
Maybe a once in a while edition, whenever it works for you, would be nice?

Maybe a ghost writer?
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The Steward wrote: 1 year ago Y'all are really free with my time.
I didn't mean to put any pressure on you. I just like your writing. I know it can't be fit into your life right now. : )
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Gwayne's World wrote: 1 year ago
The Steward wrote: 1 year ago Y'all are really free with my time.
Maybe a once in a while edition, whenever it works for you, would be nice?

Maybe a ghost writer?
I vote Vincent as the ghost :3
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Sara Julin wrote: 1 year ago
Gwayne's World wrote: 1 year ago
The Steward wrote: 1 year ago Y'all are really free with my time.
Maybe a once in a while edition, whenever it works for you, would be nice?

Maybe a ghost writer?
I vote Vincent as the ghost :3
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