All Time Greats

[Danny Derby]

I've noticed lots of talk centered around Play Leapfrog recently, and was wondering where everyone thinks he fits in among the all time great Steeplechasers in the game? Looking on the ranking page certainly doesn't tell the whole story about him. There's been a handful who have earned more, but he was able to accomplish everything at 3 and retired early, so one has to think that given a longer career he'd be at the top of this list. He's a sure fire first ballot hall of famer, but how does he really stack up? Could any of the past greats have beaten him?

[Dylan Christensen]

I don’t know much about Steeplechasers but it seems like in his 3 year old year on his best day he might have been unbeatable. This year wasn’t so good so don’t know that I would say that.

[Rachel Sadler]

The short answer is yes, some of the greats would of beaten both of them.

You only have to look at the record race times page to see that neither of the creates are on it. That says to me that they were only great chasers as there were NO other freaks racing them as the Steward 2 years earlier had changed the freak rating.

Funny how they both retired just as the new freaks were old enough to race them.

EDIT. Now the steward is adjusting the 4 yr olds to be competitive with the current 3 yr olds. Why wasnt this done last year so they could of raced competitively against the create mistakes! Makes no sense.

[Hamish Mcgonaghal]

I don’t know much about Steeplechasers but it seems like in his 3 year old year on his best day he might have been unbeatable. This year wasn’t so good so don’t know that I would say that.

As a 3yo on his best day my horse beat him in the SC. That horse is not even the greatest in my stable so when he rated his highest he was not even the best horse on that day

[The Steward]

=He's a sure fire first ballot hall of famer,

This would require us to get around to doing the Hall of Fame voting again!

[Dave Trainer]

I've noticed lots of talk centered around Play Leapfrog recently, and was wondering where everyone thinks he fits in among the all time great Steeplechasers in the game? Looking on the ranking page certainly doesn't tell the whole story about him. There's been a handful who have earned more, but he was able to accomplish everything at 3 and retired early, so one has to think that given a longer career he'd be at the top of this list. He's a sure fire first ballot hall of famer, but how does he really stack up? Could any of the past greats have beaten him?

One thread gets locked because it is full of squabbles and you decide to post this.

Why? It can only cause more controversy. I think the Steward should lock this thread as well.

[Gigi Gofaster]

Funny how they both retired just as the new freaks were old enough to race them.

I don’t think there’s anything “funny” going on; they were retired because they weren’t supposed to be coded to be able to race in the first place and the steward asked for them to be retired to go to breed, which was the purpose they were designed for. Neither player HAD to retire the horses, but they did so anyway, and I appreciate that.

[Dave Trainer]

Funny how they both retired just as the new freaks were old enough to race them.

I don’t think there’s anything “funny” going on; they were retired because they weren’t supposed to be coded to be able to race in the first place and the steward asked for them to be retired to go to breed, which was the purpose they were designed for. Neither player HAD to retire the horses, but they did so anyway, and I appreciate that.

It does beg the question why weren't they retired as soon as the Steward realised her mistake, which she has apologised for millions of times.

All she had to do was to give the players involved a choice. Retire them now as they were meant to be studs and you can keep them as such or return them for a full refund so she could then retire them herself and auction them off again as studs.

That would have saved a lot of ill feeling and controversy.

[Gigi Gofaster]

I was only posting because I don’t think the horses were retired to avoid racing against the incoming youngsters.

Honestly, we are where we are. The horses have been retired; there’s nothing to be done about what anyone thinks anyone ‘should have’ done. Let’s just enjoy the new studs - creates as well as a couple other rockstars that retired this year, explore the new gallop changes for chasers and try to constructively figure out what the division needs to improve and succeed.

[Danny Derby]

Can we please keep this on the topic of discussing Play Leapfrog's place in history and not get sidetracked with the other issues? Thanks!

[Dylan Christensen]

Can we please keep this on the topic of discussing Play Leapfrog's place in history and not get sidetracked with the other issues? Thanks!

^^