Full sibling question
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Full sibling question
Does anyone have any idea what the most successful full siblings (non twins) are in the history of the sim. Not where one gets 10 million and the other is a maiden, but say where both are at least over a million. For example, Steamboat Willie and Into the Unknown combined for just over 16 million and counting. I'm about to come into temporary possession of the dam of one of the more successful recent turf routers and looking to possibly try to hit lightning twice. What makes it further complicated is I'm not the first to try this with this particular mare. There is a 3 year old full sister who has yet to race, so I'm going to assume that one didn't quite work out. Thoughts?
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Check out Shahir’ra, super Steward bred mare who produced 5 full siblings by Sidney earning a total of over $19 million…yes it does happen, if rarely.
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https://www.simhorseracing.com/horse.php?HorseID=649813
Certainly not as extreme of a case as Shahir'ra or Let It Go, but the above mare produced three full siblings who all ended up Grade 1 winners.
EDIT to say this: breeding is always a gamble. Might as well go for a full sibling. I personally believe that even if the slide isn't in your favor, the foal in question will hold a little more value being a full sibling to an exceptional horse, than not.
Certainly not as extreme of a case as Shahir'ra or Let It Go, but the above mare produced three full siblings who all ended up Grade 1 winners.
EDIT to say this: breeding is always a gamble. Might as well go for a full sibling. I personally believe that even if the slide isn't in your favor, the foal in question will hold a little more value being a full sibling to an exceptional horse, than not.
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It certainly helps when the mare in question is exceptional as are the above examples.
I wholeheartedly agree with Lily. I’ll add that as a filly it will be more valuable as a broodmare prospect being a full sibling to a good one.
I wholeheartedly agree with Lily. I’ll add that as a filly it will be more valuable as a broodmare prospect being a full sibling to a good one.
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I wouldn't say 'go for the full sibling' is a hard and fast rule for me, but I think in a case like this I'd love to have the full sibling, especially as a filly for the breeding potential. The current unraced 3yo could have been a bad slide or perhaps (can't say without knowing who it is) the owner waits for late bloomers to bloom before racing them in an effort to keep their record looking nicer.
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I know this mare’s foals are all freaks and all are by Mr. Wonderful https://www.simhorseracing.com/horse.ph ... ID=1287475
Pretty nice cross for Nini
Pretty nice cross for Nini
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Carole, your post is ironic because The Tearjerker is the stud in question and Nini is the one who went for the full sibling that hasn’t appeared to have worked. The mare in question is Lily in the Valley, Jerusalem’s dam.
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I wouldn’t go back again personally, but I know others like to do that, I’d try something new like Obsidian Fury, but I’m a terrible breeder, just my two cents.
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If you have the mare shouldn't you be able to see what that one galloped?
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Yes, but I didn't have her yet when I made the original post. The second try was considerably lower than freak.Nicole Marie wrote: ↑1 year agoIf you have the mare shouldn't you be able to see what that one galloped?
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Ah I gotcha.
If I had her, I'd send her back to There There There but I'm far from an expert at TR (or anything tbh)
If I had her, I'd send her back to There There There but I'm far from an expert at TR (or anything tbh)
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What made you choose Ivor?
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I think I would have tried something Sidney aswell, had I been so lucky. Hope it works well for you Eric!
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Re: Full sibling question
It was a tough decision. After talking with several people, it finally came down in my mind to try repeating with The Tearjerker or going different with Ivor. All 3 of Lily in the Valley's top 3 offspring have Sidney in the first 3 of the sire line, including Jerusalem. I tried to guess whether the slide was Jerusalem being a freak or Nazareth not. I lean to it being Jerusalem being a freak. I'm sure I will probably always regret not going for the full sibling, but if I did and got a different career, I would have been second guessing not going different. At least I have a half-sister to Jerusalem and if she is only half as good as Jerusalem, I will be satisfied with that. Here is the new young lady for anyone interested. Thanks everyone for the input.
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I do this all the time. Doesn't work too often that you end up with every full sibling being amazing, but when it does work it's pretty awesome.
Splash in Puddles is my best example, 5 times she went to Streak of Rock, produced 5 stakes winners all earning over 6 figures. She also saw Falcon Nine 3 times, 2 were stakes winners earning 6 figures, the third was a maiden.
Kissin' Frogs saw Son of a Paint 5 times at the end of her broodmare career, 3 of them turned out very well.
Then there's the ones that don't work out:
Killing Streak saw Boone twice, 1 is a millionaire SC winner, the other didn't even break 30k
Gllitter Fox Moon saw Stetson 3 times, 1 is a millionaire SC winner, the others have a grand total of $0 in earnings
One With the Gun saw Mark of the Beast 3 times, 1 is a millionaire 5x G1 winner including 2 SC (most G1s of any horse I've ever had)... and you know the drill with the others, 1 is a maiden, the other managed just over 40k
Splash in Puddles is my best example, 5 times she went to Streak of Rock, produced 5 stakes winners all earning over 6 figures. She also saw Falcon Nine 3 times, 2 were stakes winners earning 6 figures, the third was a maiden.
Kissin' Frogs saw Son of a Paint 5 times at the end of her broodmare career, 3 of them turned out very well.
Then there's the ones that don't work out:
Killing Streak saw Boone twice, 1 is a millionaire SC winner, the other didn't even break 30k
Gllitter Fox Moon saw Stetson 3 times, 1 is a millionaire SC winner, the others have a grand total of $0 in earnings
One With the Gun saw Mark of the Beast 3 times, 1 is a millionaire 5x G1 winner including 2 SC (most G1s of any horse I've ever had)... and you know the drill with the others, 1 is a maiden, the other managed just over 40k
Arabian:
Money Run Low - 7.5k
Cass Ole - 5k
Mugello - 5k
All I'll Praise - 5k
Zandvoort - 10k
Paint:
Toby Flenderson - 15k
One In The Woods - 5k
We Can Be Heros - 5k
FLD Eclipse - 3.5k
Scooter - 3.5k
Money Run Low - 7.5k
Cass Ole - 5k
Mugello - 5k
All I'll Praise - 5k
Zandvoort - 10k
Paint:
Toby Flenderson - 15k
One In The Woods - 5k
We Can Be Heros - 5k
FLD Eclipse - 3.5k
Scooter - 3.5k