Top TR Stallions that are very sound?

[Kelly Haggerty]

Does anyone have a top TR stud that is also "very sound"? One of my better mares is 2 for 3 on producing "bubblewrap" babies and I want to make note of some sounder stallions for her in future.

[Nick Gilmore]

While Moulay el Hassan and Seth’s Resolve are both merely sound, a new face in my barn, Volny Na Beregu is very sound. I’m happy to add that so far, 3 of my current 4 foals of his are also very sound.

Of my next to retire, Two Socks, Drakensberg and Bishop’s Gate are all listed sound. Drak and Bishop possibly to retire next year, with Two Socks later this year.

Hope that helps!

[Carole Hanson]

I believe soundness is a 50/50 based on what the parents are, so if you have a very unsound mare and a sound stallion, the foal could either only be very unsound or sound rather than somewhat unsound for example. So actually it seems you only need to look for sound and up stallions rather than having to definitely look for very sound only.

Just as an fyi, King of Ashes is somewhat unsound though I wouldn't class him as a top stallion.

[Nick Gilmore]

Good foals can come from anywhere! Lol

[Ryan Whitehead]

Honestly I don't see where soundness matters from my experience.

Improvisational - somewhat unsound
Phenomenal One - somewhat unsound
Specialisation - somewhat unsound
Summersational - Sound
Rostov - Very Sound
Kingsmen - Very Unsound
Dramatisation - Sound


Restored Royalty bred with Stalingrad 3x. Moscow I'm not sure about because she belongs to Randall Allen but Rostov and Catherine II I do know.
Rostov - Very Sound Catherine II - Somewhat Unsound

So I'm not sure breeding 2 horses that have the same soundness really matters. Actually give me an unsound horse any day. They seem faster. haha

[Kelly Haggerty]

I believe soundness is a 50/50 based on what the parents are, so if you have a very unsound mare and a sound stallion, the foal could either only be very unsound or sound rather than somewhat unsound for example. So actually it seems you only need to look for sound and up stallions rather than having to definitely look for very sound only.

Just as an fyi, King of Ashes is somewhat unsound though I wouldn't class him as a top stallion.

Oh wow- that makes things simpler. Thank you for explaining.

[Clarehaven Stables]

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[Carole Hanson]

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Huh, looks like I was wrong then:

“When foals are born, it can inherit the trait of either parent. Thus, if you breed a mare that was very sound to a very unsound stallion, you can get anything on the spectrum. But if your very sound mare goes to a very sound stallion, your foal can only be very sound.”

Either way, doesn’t seem like you get increased chances of getting a sound horse if you breed those very unsound mares to very sound stallions, rather than if you breed to sound stallions.

[Nini Panini]

Honestly I don't see where soundness matters from my experience.

+1

[Dave Trainer]

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Huh, looks like I was wrong then:

“When foals are born, it can inherit the trait of either parent. Thus, if you breed a mare that was very sound to a very unsound stallion, you can get anything on the spectrum. But if your very sound mare goes to a very sound stallion, your foal can only be very sound.”

Either way, doesn’t seem like you get increased chances of getting a sound horse if you breed those very unsound mares to very sound stallions, rather than if you breed to sound stallions.

If you breed very unsound to sound you can't get a very sound foal so you only have 3 possibilities, so a 1 in 3 chance of getting sound. If you breed to very sound you have a 1 in 2 chance of getting a sound./very sound foal.

[Ash Tarasin]

Honestly I don't see where soundness matters from my experience.

+1

It may matter depending on whether you are aware of how much time your horse (with/without pet, with/without luxury travel) needs to restore the rest-meter. If you are aware of exactly how much rest your horse needs and are good at raceplacing you would potentially earn more money with a very sound horse compared to an unsound of similar quality. If you start wobbling on any of the parameters (e.g racing a very sound horse less often that what would be economically optimal) it doesn't matter anymore.
The advantage is probably greater for midlevel quality horses. The kind of horses racing on a 2-week-schedule in NW/allowances/listed stakes without pets and may travel longer distances from time to time. That means that the potential benefit from having a very sound horse will also be greater the more race options you have (as would be the case with TR).