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Cleo Patra
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Cleo Patra » 1 year ago

As a jockey myself, I was horrified by the footage. I’ve been put in that same situation and it’s the only time I’ve ever been scared in a race. It was only the fact that MS kept his momentum up and sheer bloody luck that there wasn’t a terrible fall. Every jockey that could see or hear the situation would have stopped riding their race, if only momentarily. Given that it was the point when everyone wants to try to make a move, I have no doubt at all that it significantly impacted the outcome of the Derby. It’s extremely difficult for a horse to get a check and then get going again.

That said, I feel sorry for all connections. There was no way to prevent the horse shifting like that and once he’d already moved out, there was nowhere to go except forwards. It must have been awful to think they’d won and then lose it, and not much better for all the other horses and connections who only have their places changed by default.

So ridiculously glad there wasn’t a fall though. I hope none of the horses involved got galloped on. Getting stripped down the back legs can permanently ruin a horse mentally and/or physically. There is more than one reason for this particular rule of racing.
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Corey Lange » 1 year ago

Regina Moore wrote:
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Just read that Jon Court on Long Range Toddy also claimed foul, so that makes more sense that a rider that was interfered with claimed foul. Since he finished 16th, Maximum Security had to be placed behind him.
Here's where my issue with this lies. The only Jockeys near the phone (on tv feed) were the 1,8 & 7. In addition the claim by the 18 wasn't included in the race notes, only the claim of the 20 was. The fact that these details came out 2 hours after the decision was made is the largest failure in the process, releasing a written statement immediately, it could have been the same as what she read, would have been much more useful for transparency and clarity.

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Re: Disqualification

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Gwayne Mike wrote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_ychn7ga0

Here's the replay.
I get that the 7 pushed wide, but for the this whole thing would have been avoided if the 1 wouldn't have been problematic, forcing his way through a hole that wasn't there. Watch the replay at the 3:59 mark, the 1 makes an initial push through and causes bumps, then backs and tries a 2nd time (the much talked about bump). The 7's turn wide for home wouldn't have been a problem without the 1 first causing interference (arguably twice) to try to squeeze between horses and putting himself and Wow in danger.

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Re: Disqualification

Post by Louise Bayou » 1 year ago

Corey Lange wrote:
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Gwayne Mike wrote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci_ychn7ga0

Here's the replay.
I get that the 7 pushed wide, but for the this whole thing would have been avoided if the 1 wouldn't have been problematic, forcing his way through a hole that wasn't there. Watch the replay at the 3:59 mark, the 1 makes an initial push through and causes bumps, then backs and tries a 2nd time (the much talked about bump). The 7's turn wide for home wouldn't have been a problem without the 1 first causing interference (arguably twice) to try to squeeze between horses and putting himself and Wow in danger.

IMO, WoW(#1) was making a move and even if he had not gone through the hole then MS would have just ran into Country House and LRT. Maximum Security came out several horses wide.
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Re: Disqualification

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Dave Trainer wrote:
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He'd have kept the race under UK rules
wow really? that is crazy!
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Gwayne Mike » 1 year ago

Large field, poor track condition, 150,000 screaming fans = recipe for a disaster that fortunately didn't happen!

On to the Preakness on the 18th.
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Re: Disqualification

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Cleo Patra wrote:
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As a jockey myself, I was horrified by the footage. I’ve been put in that same situation and it’s the only time I’ve ever been scared in a race. It was only the fact that MS kept his momentum up and sheer bloody luck that there wasn’t a terrible fall. Every jockey that could see or hear the situation would have stopped riding their race, if only momentarily. Given that it was the point when everyone wants to try to make a move, I have no doubt at all that it significantly impacted the outcome of the Derby. It’s extremely difficult for a horse to get a check and then get going again.

That said, I feel sorry for all connections. There was no way to prevent the horse shifting like that and once he’d already moved out, there was nowhere to go except forwards. It must have been awful to think they’d won and then lose it, and not much better for all the other horses and connections who only have their places changed by default.

So ridiculously glad there wasn’t a fall though. I hope none of the horses involved got galloped on. Getting stripped down the back legs can permanently ruin a horse mentally and/or physically. There is more than one reason for this particular rule of racing.
Thank you for your prospective. It must be horrifying to be behind something like this and watch it it unfold. Taking it into account that you’re balancing on your toes with a thin piece of metal to steer a 1000 pound animal who is basically only taught to run and is in full gear. It’s kind of amazing there aren’t more accidents.

Stay safe Cleo.
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Dave Trainer » 1 year ago

Louise Bayou wrote:
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Dave Trainer wrote:
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He'd have kept the race under UK rules
wow really? that is crazy!
Not as crazy as placing him 17th behind a horse who wouldn't have beaten him.

Horses rarely get disqualified now here.

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Re: Disqualification

Post by Nini Hunter » 1 year ago

100% the right call in my opinion. I'll die on this hill.
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Kenneth Prater » 1 year ago

Interesting comments but now that it is over, I will say MS is the real deal and he will be back. I look forward to him winning some big races.

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Re: Disqualification

Post by Jo Ferris » 1 year ago

No doubt in my mind this was the right call. I'll admit, WoW was my pick to win, but MS was the best horse in the race, very likely would've won without the interference, but that was DANGEROUS! That could've gone a LOT worse, WoW is the real MVP for keeping his legs under him despite obvious contact and not clipping heels with MS, if he did, that would've been disastrous, with WoW's position, there would've been several horses down had he gone down. Definitely the right call was made, you can't have a horse doing that. Looking at the replay it looks like MS drifted out just after the 3f pole too, not as bad and there weren't as many horses right there (maybe forced #18 to steady a touch), anyone else see that? MS looked like he was all over the place around that turn
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Re: Disqualification

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Jo Ferris wrote:
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No doubt in my mind this was the right call. I'll admit, WoW was my pick to win, but MS was the best horse in the race, very likely would've won without the interference, but that was DANGEROUS! That could've gone a LOT worse, WoW is the real MVP for keeping his legs under him despite obvious contact and not clipping heels with MS, if he did, that would've been disastrous, with WoW's position, there would've been several horses down had he gone down. Definitely the right call was made, you can't have a horse doing that. Looking at the replay it looks like MS drifted out just after the 3f pole too, not as bad and there weren't as many horses right there (maybe forced #18 to steady a touch), anyone else see that? MS looked like he was all over the place around that turn
After 35 years in the game, I wholeheartedly agree with you! Watching it, I was worried they wouldn’t do the right thing and take him down. Experience is everything and he ran green as grass. He will be a terror in races to come.

As for placing him where they did, they could have disqualified him completely and given the jock days, as he seemed more concerned with pushing him on, than trying to get him out of trouble. Before everybody starts whining, I did not say they should have, but could have. So it could have been worse for his connections.
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Kenneth Prater » 1 year ago

I guess now we wait to see if there is an appeal. The connections can't go over the footage with the stewards until the 9th but I believe an appeal has to be filed between 48-72 hrs after the race. Just think of the discussion if they would reverse this.

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Re: Disqualification

Post by Nick Gilmore » 1 year ago

With a cut of 3 million at stake, it would be worth it, wouldn’t it? Do they have penalties for frivolous appeals?
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Re: Disqualification

Post by Kenneth Prater » 1 year ago

I doubt they reverse the decison. A lot of bettors would be outraged.

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