Racing 101: The Series

Ara Davies · Post by **Ara Davies** » 17 years ago

I posted an article today about racing terminology regarding siblings and the like. I'd like the article to become a series called "Racing 101" with articles written by anybody that has good knowledge of any aspect of racing. So please take a look at the suggestions in the first paragraph of my article and see what you might be able to write!

Emily Mitchell · Post by **Emily Mitchell** » 17 years ago

Great article Ara!

But I do have a question- what would you call, I'll use examples, Castle In The Sky and Castledale? I would call them 3/4 brothers because... well, I don't really have a good reason, except that they are so closely related.

Mallory Claire · Post by **Mallory Claire** » 17 years ago

I can write one about race classes, like claiming, maiden claiming, maiden, allowance, and the levels of stakes races. Someone should write one about distances too, and what exactly a dirt sprinter, router, etc. are.

Ara Davies · Post by **Ara Davies** » 17 years ago

I'd probably call them close relatives, because I nearly always reserve the term "siblings" to horses who share the same dam. However, you do sometimes see the relationship you described as "3/4 siblings". If you did describe them as 3/4 siblings in an ad, I'd recommend pointing out that the dams are merely closely related and not the same mare to avoid confusing those of us who do consider siblings as sharing the same dam, period.

Here are some real-life examples of similar relationships:
Quick Action: described in his stud ad as "dam is by Storm Bird out of a full sister to the dam of America's Greatest Living Sire: Storm Cat". Note that Quick Action's dam Indian Sunset is a full sister to Battle Cry.

Battle Cry: in an article in the TT he is described as "closely related to leading sire Storm Cat".

I swear that somewhere I did see Battle Cry and Storm Cat described as 3/4 siblings, but of course now the only references I can find describe them as "close relatives". That should tell you something.

Emily Mitchell · Post by **Emily Mitchell** » 17 years ago

Ara Davies wrote: I'd probably call them close relatives, because I nearly always reserve the term "siblings" to horses who share the same dam. However, you do sometimes see the relationship you described as "3/4 siblings". If you did describe them as 3/4 siblings in an ad, I'd recommend pointing out that the dams are merely closely related and not the same mare to avoid confusing those of us who do consider siblings as sharing the same dam, period.

Here are some real-life examples of similar relationships:
Quick Action: described in his stud ad as "dam is by Storm Bird out of a full sister to the dam of America's Greatest Living Sire: Storm Cat". Note that Quick Action's dam Indian Sunset is a full sister to Battle Cry.

Battle Cry: in an article in the TT he is described as "closely related to leading sire Storm Cat".

I swear that somewhere I did see Battle Cry and Storm Cat described as 3/4 siblings, but of course now the only references I can find describe them as "close relatives". That should tell you something.

Yeah, I see what you are saying. I guess I am just trying to look for something to say they are more than just closely related- because all of Castledale's pedigree is found in Castle In The Sky's pedigree... just plus some. So, the same dam is in both pedigrees... just one generation back in one of them. I don't know- I guess I just like being able to point out extremely close relations more specifically, since "closely related" can be used very loosely... but then again I don't like explaining it, so I say "3/4 brothers".

Oh well, I guess I can try not to be so lazy.

Ara Davies · Post by **Ara Davies** » 17 years ago

I don't have any problem with them being described casually as 3/4 brothers, but if you were advertising Castle in the Sky for sale or stud and called them 3/4 brothers without pointing out what you meant about it, I'd feel it was a little shady.

Ali Weasley · Post by **Ali Weasley** » 17 years ago

A 3/4 brother, to me, is like Exploit and his brother by Hennessy, Touchdown KY.

Exploit is Storm Cat x My Turbulent Miss
Touchdown KY is Hennessy x My Turbulent Miss

Since Hennessy is BY Storm Cat, it's makes them more than 1/2 bro's, hence the 3/4.

That's how I've always figured it, anyway.

Scott Eiland · Post by **Scott Eiland** » 17 years ago

i'm lost. Someone hold me (jk...i'll just have to read the articles. Again.)