Consensus on “longer career”

[J.P Dogood]

I know this was up for debate when we first started getting these comments but I stopped following.

Have we reached on consensus on whether “longer career” equals bad for breeding?

[Nicole Marie]

It appears to just mean that the racing number is higher than the breeding number. I have retired stakes longer career mares that are blue hens. I also retired a stakes longer career stud that hypos under the top studs but isn't terrible (he's mostly B+ hypos but I've gotten a decent amount of A- and a couple flat A). I wouldn't say longer career = bad for breeding, but we all probably have different standards of 'bad.'

[Carole Hanson]

The Steward has pretty much confirmed it means the racing number is higher than the breeding number, but it could be just a tiny bit higher (like 0.1). I’ve found it to be not very accurate for studs, and pretty accurate for mares although longer career mares produce just as well as the breeding shed ones of the same racing quality.

[Danny Derby]

My consensus opinion is that these comments are more or less worthless and I don’t even pay attention to them.

[Nini Panini]

My consensus opinion is that these comments are more or less worthless and I don’t even pay attention to them.

+1

[Laurel Addams]

I use it to decide if a productive mare is worth hypoing or checking BSA on If I’m on the fence about her

[Nick Gilmore]

My consensus opinion is that these comments are more or less worthless and I don’t even pay attention to them.

+1

Ditto

[Gwayne's World]

I always thought this comment referred to their racing career?

After reading the negative comments who knows?

[Craig Mcgee]

My consensus opinion is that these comments are more or less worthless and I don’t even pay attention to them.

+1

Ditto

Agree +10

[Andrew James]

I use it to decide if a productive mare is worth hypoing or checking BSA on If I’m on the fence about her

I'm closer aligned to this. I'll let it influence whether to run an allowance in a claimer or not and whether to BSA Productive horses.

Allowance LC's from questionable pedigrees I wont hesitate to drop into a claimer, knowing they are most likely formidable. Productive shed horses with nice pedigrees I'll retire and most of the time they are Star broodmares.

It's another piece of information to factor into whether or not to breed a horse. Combine it with pedigree, speed figure, produce records etc... And hopefully make correct decisions on who to keep and who to run in a claimer.

Edit: One thing I'd love clarity on. If a horse is "longer career" and a "Allowance Late Bloomer" does that mean the horse has worse breeding numbers than the horses current racing numbers or worse breeding number than the peak racing number?

[LA Pepper]

My consensus opinion is that these comments are more or less worthless and I don’t even pay attention to them.

Here here (I agree)

[Nicole Marie]

Edit: One thing I'd love clarity on. If a horse is "longer career" and a "Allowance Late Bloomer" does that mean the horse has worse breeding numbers than the horses current racing numbers or worse breeding number than the peak racing number?

IIRC a couple of my stakes peak LC horses who turned into hens started out with the LC comment as allowance late bloomer, so I think it's peak racing number vs breeding number. But I guess I also don't know how the racing levels and breeding levels overlap (someon else may).

[Kelly Haggerty]

This gives me some hope. I decided to use one of my slots on a dispersal horse, and was bummed that he is a LC. He'll get his earnings, and I guess I will hypo him and see.

[Ma Springs]

I use it to decide if a productive mare is worth hypoing or checking BSA on If I’m on the fence about her

I'm closer aligned to this. I'll let it influence whether to run an allowance in a claimer or not and whether to BSA Productive horses.

Allowance LC's from questionable pedigrees I wont hesitate to drop into a claimer, knowing they are most likely formidable. Productive shed horses with nice pedigrees I'll retire and most of the time they are Star broodmares.

It's another piece of information to factor into whether or not to breed a horse. Combine it with pedigree, speed figure, produce records etc... And hopefully make correct decisions on who to keep and who to run in a claimer.

Edit: One thing I'd love clarity on. If a horse is "longer career" and a "Allowance Late Bloomer" does that mean the horse has worse breeding numbers than the horses current racing numbers or worse breeding number than the peak racing number?

+

And I would also believe it is in relation to the peak comment. Have not seen or heard of a horse changing from breeding shed to longer career as they bloom, but who knows… (oh, I know who knows…)

[Carole Hanson]

I’m almost certain the comment takes into consideration the horse’s final number rather than the one it currently sits at.